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Old 08-29-2015, 10:44 PM   #151
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I'd like to take his guns away but I still have to formulate a plan for stealing them. Pac Mule, what is your vacation schedule?


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Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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What? What are you even talking about? It's all anyone in Baktimore (or DC) is taking about this summer -- the uptick in violence (even though crime is still at historic lows).

The big issue in DC has been the loosening of our once stringent anti-gun laws by the gun nuts, the ease of getting guns in VA, the removal of vice squads, and massive retirements in the MPD. All this combined with the rise of the synthetic drug trade, like K2.

But the issue is still one of guns, guns, guns. Too many guns. Small beefs become deadly simply because someone has a gun.

What amazes me about conservative thought is the creation of these so-called narratives where they make sweeping statements like "BUT NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MAINSTREAM MEDIA." It's like, what? What planet are you on?

And I don't have the energy to even touch on the problematic "black on black" violence comment.
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:08 AM   #153
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I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.






Do you know what a hate crime is?
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:25 AM   #154
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But the issue is still one of guns, guns, guns. Too many guns. Small beefs become deadly simply because someone has a gun.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163...ca-guns-europe

Excellent point. I read this Vox article the other day that goes into research about why America has such high rates of gun deaths. Not surprisingly, we don't have higher rates of crime, we have a higher rate of gun deaths because we have more guns and guns tend to escalate situations.

"People with guns don't understand. That's why they get guns. Too many misunderstandings!"- Jerry Seinfeld



It's also worth noting that much of the guns that have been traced after being used to commit crimes in Chicago come from places that have lenient gun control laws, such as Indiana.


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Old 08-30-2015, 02:12 AM   #155
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And people use that as an excuse as to why we shouldn't bother doing anything. It's either:

A) They'll just get the guns somewhere else (in this case: Indiana)

or

B) If Chicago has the strictest gun control laws, then clearly gun control doesn't work (in this case: ignore that Indiana is only 20 minutes away)
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The ENTIRE STATE of Maine has fewer homicides than Chicago!! Must be all them guns protectin' em!!
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Bluer White is right. Chicago and Baltimore are descending into daily black on black violence not seen in decades. And we don't get the same outcry from the gun-control merchants and #blacklivesmatter.


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Fox News narrative, but like 99% of their narratives, factual incorrect.


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I do wonder if the murder of the two TV folks by a troubled black homosexual while shooting live video and live tweeting it should be considered a hate crime.




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If you use "buh-buh-buh-but major cities like New York, Chicago and DC have strict gun laws and it doesn't stop shootings" as one of your arguments against gun control, you're a moron.
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Do you know what a hate crime is?
Well, I'm nominally familiar with Mr. Flanagan's employment record, and very familiar with the manifesto fax he sent out explaining his act.
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So that would be a no.


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Well, I'm nominally familiar with Mr. Flanagan's employment record, and very familiar with the manifesto fax he sent out explaining his act.

did he murder these two people on the basis of their ethnicity or sexual orientation and thusly send a signal to other members of these groups that they were under attack?

certainly, his long list of grievances had racial and sexual components, and he seemed particularly upset by the Charleston shooting (he legally purchased a gun 2 days afterwards). but it's this complexity, combined with his work-related complaints, that make this a classic workplace shooting perpetrated by a delusional individual who lives in a state that enables easy access to deadly weapons. he hated his co-workers, he hated what he perceived as slights on the basis of his race and sexual orientation. but he did not kill the two simply because they were 1) white, and 2) straight. very different than the Charleston shooting.

i have some intellectual issues with hate crimes in general, but there's a pretty clear standard when it comes to their defintion.
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what terms would you describe the steps the UK and Australia took in the wake of Dunblane and Port Arthur?
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Prior to their "gun ban," did every Australian feel entitled to their own personal armory purely because of where they were born? Because that might have contributed to the ease of their buyback.
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what terms would you describe the steps the UK and Australia took in the wake of Dunblane and Port Arthur?
Mandatory buybacks or the equivalent for semi-automatics and banning their bullets would be a tough sell in America.

Not anything close to incremental change.
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