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Old 05-03-2011, 06:22 PM   #16
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What about Zach Galifianakis ? Not saying that's shitty-but difficult to pronounce or spell? He could have been cool and just called himself Zach G.
I'd say it's all about packaging. Zach plays a neckbearded, awkward, deadpan humour guy so it's less important.
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Old 05-03-2011, 06:23 PM   #17
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I would say that people should just watch Jesus of Nazareth. Maybe it's a fairy tale too but at least kids can learn something from it w/r/t how to treat others.
I agree. That is probably the best Jesus movie ever. I wonder why its not on TV like it used to be. You could only catch parts of it on Catholic stations.
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it can be difficult to get work when what you're known for is being the object of desire in a homoerotic snuff film widely praised for it's verisimilitude of graphic and yet historically inaccurate bloodletting no matter how good looking you are. his association with perhaps the most unpleasant film i've ever seen -- further compounded by the fact that some people found something spiritually exalting in all that violence and subjected their children to it cementing in their minds the apparently redemptive power of flesh-removing cinematic violence in the eyes of a God who set this whole torture thing up -- probably didn't help his career.

but this really just seems like whining.
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Old 05-03-2011, 06:29 PM   #19
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I'm biased against it, that's for sure.

I can't really be offended (by much) or grossed out under most all circumstances.
I have a crude sense of humor, am not remotely religious, and am surely a proponent of free speech and against most all censorship. In other words, I am basically game for most anything. But I literally couldn't deal with that movie.

Maybe it was my old Christianity and residual affection for Jesus coming through...I just COMPLETELY detested it.

I would say that people should just watch Jesus of Nazareth. Maybe it's a fairy tale too but at least kids can learn something from it w/r/t how to treat others.
Jesus Of Nazareth is indeed the best movie / miniseries about Jesus, as far as I'm concerned. It got some things out of order and focused on a harmless subplot that may or may not have actually occurred, but it was very close to the Biblical account of what actually happened.

As far as Passion is concerned, what you see as "slasher", many people see as an accurate portrayal of what Jesus willingly went through to affect redemption for us. Personally, I closed my eyes during the most brutal parts of the film. I don't consider it "slasher", but it was too much for me. That's really a shame, because there were some very good moments during the film, my favorites being Christ's encounter with Satan in the garden (which may or may not have happened) and Christ remembering his mother picking him up when he fell and skinned his knee as a child.
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I agree. That is probably the best Jesus movie ever. I wonder why its not on TV like it used to be. You could only catch parts of it on Catholic stations.
Absolutely the best Jesus film/mini-series I've ever seen by a MILE.
I'm pretty sure the religious stations play it on Easter and Christmas.

Again, I may not buy into it as literal 'gospel' anymore but it's such an inspired, hopeful, great piece of work. Great cast as well.

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the most unpleasant film i've ever seen --
Agreed, Irv.
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i will agree that i think Gibson is an effective filmmaker. Apocalypto is sickeningly violent at points, but damn, it certainly is thrilling. "Passion" was likewise effective in many ways, i'm just aghast at what it was saying.

my understanding, and i'm obviously not a biblical scholar, was that much of the violence in the film isn't in the gospels, like the scouring -- where they rip his flesh off piece by piece. furthermore, he would have lost so much blood that he would have died or at least passed out before he even began carrying the cross.

what always struck me was how ordinary this was. the film presents the crucifixion as the most heinous act ever, but many, many people other than Jesus were crucified throughout history, it was relatively commonplace as a form of capital punishment.

at least that's my understanding.
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my understanding, and i'm obviously not a biblical scholar, was that much of the violence in the film isn't in the gospels, like the scouring -- where they rip his flesh off piece by piece. furthermore, he would have lost so much blood that he would have died or at least passed out before he even began carrying the cross.

what always struck me was how ordinary this was. the film presents the crucifixion as the most heinous act ever, but many, many people other than Jesus were crucified throughout history, it was relatively commonplace as a form of capital punishment.
Yes, it was commonplace, but that doesn't make it any less brutal.

Before the sheer torture of the cross, Christ received 39 lashes from a whip with a bone or metal tip. That would rip your flesh off. Many others also received lashes from the same weapon, and many did die from that.

Jesus also had a crown of thorns shoved down into his head, and on the cross, he refused the drink that was intended to "calm his nerves".

I personally believe that the spiritual aspect of what was happening (the weight of the sins of the world) killed him as much as the physical.
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Without getting into the lust discussion, which seems to be grist for another mill...

Hollywood casts based on type. Jim Carrey is a type. Harrison Ford is a type. Denzel Washington is a type. Julia Roberts is a type. When actors rebel against type, generally speaking, they get nowhere. (Julia in dramas, Jim Carrey dramas, Harrison in a Russian accent, etc.) This is true not just of actors, but of roles, a few of which become iconic types unto themselves. As a result, whoever plays those roles becomes forever associated with them, and can't get out from under the weight. Christopher Reeve in Superman. Mark Hamill in Star Wars. I would add Caviezel to that list.

Nor do I think Caviezel is whining. Mark Hamill has talked about his frustration at not getting other parts in interviews, as did Chris Reeve. It's hard to be an actor who wants to be stretched creatively, only to find that Hollywood will only let you stretch so far.

Despite its popularity both domestically and abroad, The Passion was not popular in Hollywood. (Much of that having to do with Mel himself, who is, has been, and continues to be a polarizing figure, and not without justification -- it will be interesting to see how his "The Beaver" does this year.) "The Passion" did alert Hollywood to the fact that there is a certain audience for faith-based films, but its understanding of that audience is very thin. The Blind Side, which embraced and was embraced by the faith community, is not generally perceived in Hollywood as a faith-based film...probably because it, um, has stars and is good.
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Yeah I feel real sorry for someone who starred in a movie that grossed $370,782,930. Please
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This guy did pretty well after playing Jesus two years before becoming a major character for 6 years on one of TVs biggest shows ever. (Henry Ian Cusick)

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This guy did pretty well after playing Jesus two years before becoming a major character for 6 years on one of TVs biggest shows ever. (Henry Ian Cusick)

Ah Desmond. . .

His portrayal of Christ in the Gospel of John was quite good I thought. I really liked that film.
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This guy did pretty well after playing Jesus two years before becoming a major character for 6 years on one of TVs biggest shows ever. (Henry Ian Cusick)
True, but The Gospel of John didn't have the kind of release and box office success that can lock someone into a role for life.

And -- not to name-drop -- but Henry is a very cool guy, BTW.
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True, but The Gospel of John didn't have the kind of release and box office success that can lock someone into a role for life.

And -- not to name-drop -- but Henry is a very cool guy, BTW.
I'll agree with that on both counts
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It was then that the Lord speaketh and said "I have read thine hand, and it shall henceforth be decreed, that it is Not Penny's Boat."

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All I really remember of this movie is Harvey Keitel as the worst possible Judas, with a Brooklyn accent and an orange wig. "'Ey, Jesus, where we goin' next? You know what? Fugeddaboudit." Yikes.
Horrid casting.

Frankly Keitel is the exact same in everything. That is, shitty.
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This guy did pretty well after playing Jesus two years before becoming a major character for 6 years on one of TVs biggest shows ever. (Henry Ian Cusick)

Cool-I didn't know that. Maybe that was a Lost clue
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