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Old 09-18-2015, 10:48 AM   #16
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I think Germany will eventually accept more refugees, just not at the current rate - for demographic reasons alone. They have the world's lowest fertility rate and the 2nd highest median age - 46 (versus 38 in the US).
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Old 09-18-2015, 11:27 AM   #17
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I'll just throw it out there, but apparently, UN and other places are asking Japan to accept more refugees / migrants, and Japanese people hate to do so with great passion, which, to me, proves how evil, ignorant and conservative people can be.
Holy shit, where do they expect Japan to put them?!



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Japan is also structurally very anti-immigrant and has been that way forever, so the odds of integration and normal life in that society are very low. Kind of strange to even be invoking them to be honest.

Total chaos in the Balkans. Slovenia is tear gassing the people trying to cross into the country from Croatia. In Croatia, a fight erupted at a train station between Syrians and Afghans who threw rocks at each other. Croatia is meanwhile bussing thousands to Hungary, which is in turn bussing them to Austria. Meanwhile a whole new wave appears to be ready to cross from Turkey to Greece. In Greece itself, riot police are beating back the refugee/migrant masses on Lesbos. Something is going to give here very soon.
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And the ones that will suffer will be the actual refugees. By dangling that open borders/free for all carrot, they have created an unimaginable chaos. This is exactly why it's so important to make that distinction of refugee and migrant.




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Old 09-18-2015, 05:47 PM   #20
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And the ones that will suffer will be the actual refugees. By dangling that open borders/free for all carrot, they have created an unimaginable chaos. This is exactly why it's so important to make that distinction of refugee and migrant.
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Not us, though, Martina. We just bombed Syria, so that should fix everything.
I hear that if you stop the boats, everybody's problems magically go away.
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Japan is also structurally very anti-immigrant and has been that way forever, so the odds of integration and normal life in that society are very low. Kind of strange to even be invoking them to be honest.
I was just waiting for the liberation in my country, that's all. it's true that some people are really desperate to contain the situation
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seriously, Hungary ought to be kicked out of the EU for its disgusting response
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And the ones that will suffer will be the actual refugees. By dangling that open borders/free for all carrot, they have created an unimaginable chaos. This is exactly why it's so important to make that distinction of refugee and migrant.




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"dangling the open borders/free for all carrot" is a little trite...

humans have been on the move since time began, influx of refugees is a result of war and instability...

one of the main factors in this crisis is the criminalization of migration brought in by the 2001 EU directive penalizing carriers

EUR-Lex - l33139 - EN - EUR-Lex

this immediately led to the original smuggler/sea-crossing problem - i have seen documentary footage of coastguards on the Med shooting at migrant boats from more than 10 years ago, before the media finally caught up with the story...

basically, re. refugees, it's our moral duty to help - there needs to be a global response, by the EU, other countries AND the middle east

"love your neighbour as you love yourself" has never been so appropriate
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I think Germany will eventually accept more refugees, just not at the current rate - for demographic reasons alone. They have the world's lowest fertility rate and the 2nd highest median age - 46 (versus 38 in the US).
i read that Germany actually needs an additional workforce of 450 000 per year to sustain itself - skilled refugees will be a huge asset to the economy
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seriously, Hungary ought to be kicked out of the EU for its disgusting response
I'm not sure about getting kicked out of the EU (not that I have a high opinion of it anyway), but any progressively minded person should be concerned about the current Hungarian regime - and I'm not just talking about their stance on the refugee crisis alone.
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I'm not sure about getting kicked out of the EU (not that I have a high opinion of it anyway), but any progressively minded person should be concerned about the current Hungarian regime - and I'm not just talking about their stance on the refugee crisis alone.
very true Vlad
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If Germany wants them they should just send a fleet of Lufthansa planes to Izmir, Turkey and airlift them. Same goes for other countries.


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$64,000 question - I'll be in Germany for two eeeks, culminating in the 2 shows in Cologne. Is there something I can do to help out while there?

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If Germany wants them they should just send a fleet of Lufthansa planes to Izmir, Turkey and airlift them. Same goes for other countries.
This is sort of the point, isn't it?

Germany and Sweden in particular have been openly inviting hundreds of thousands of people but have done nothing to actually assist them in getting there. The burden has instead been placed on nations which are small, poor and in many instances recently wartorn themselves.

And let's not kid ourselves, if there were 200,000 people, of which are mostly young men who happen to be Muslim, passing through the US or Canada or the UK or Australia this summer largely without documentation, imagine what the response would be. Instead we can all sit on our high horse in judgment.
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