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Old 09-20-2016, 09:25 AM   #136
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Yeah, but what if every good guy had a gun????
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:11 PM   #137
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No sense in arguing. I'd rather be in the mall with an average citizen who has a gun. Chances are if they have a license to conceal carry the know how to use it. Maybe just pulling it will do the trick and scare off the attacker
But in mass shooting type situations, the perpetrator is often planning on being dead by the end of it anyway, either by suicide or suicide-by-cop, so I doubt another person with a gun would deter them much.

Additionally, an average citizen with a gun may know how to use it properly at a gun range or in some other controlled setting where they know what's going to happen before it happens, but in an unexpected real-life scenario where the citizen is afraid and anxious, I wouldn't count on them being able to just coolly take out the perpetrator. I would count on there being misfire. It could make the situation more dangerous than it already was.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:37 PM   #138
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The idea that a "good guy" with a gun will save you is much like that episode of The Simpsons where Lisa has a rock that keeps away bears.

And all the supporters of keeping Americans more heavily armed than a normal country's military are the gullible Homers of the situation.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:41 PM   #139
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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it. Maybe you have experience with firearms or not at all. But the dying man has give you instructions on how to empty the clip of 9 shots.

Do you use the firearm to kill or wound the assailant?

Do you hand it to somebody else?

Do you take your chances and do nothing, hoping the Swat team breaks in at any moment?

I have some experience with a 9 mm handgun, so I take the shot.


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Old 09-20-2016, 06:58 PM   #140
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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it.
Bam! You're dead. The talking gave you away.








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Well, considering I've never touched a gun, I'm not about to take that kind of risk holding one and trying to use it. Even if I was given all the instructions, the guy telling them to me could be wrong in how he gives them (especially if he's mortally wounded and unable to think or talk clearly as a result).

Instead, my focus would be on either saving the wounded guy if possible (or at least getting him out of the line of fire, anyway, so he doesn't wind up having more bullets in him than what's already there), or, if I see the situation is hopeless for him, I'll take cover and try and look for some means of escape if there's any.

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I have some experience with a 9 mm handgun, so I take the shot.
You do that. And if you miraculously happen to have the perfect aim to take the shooter down and manage not to hit any innocent people or random parts of the place in the process, then I'll be impressed.

(Course, there's another possibility: the police/SWAT arrive at that moment, you're the first one they see with a weapon, they naturally assume you could be the shooter, and they either threaten to shoot or actually do shoot at you.

But nah, we all know that those kinds of mistakes have NEVER happened before, right?)
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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it. Maybe you have experience with firearms or not at all. But the dying man has give you instructions on how to empty the clip of 9 shots.

Do you use the firearm to kill or wound the assailant?

Do you hand it to somebody else?

Do you take your chances and do nothing, hoping the Swat team breaks in at any moment?

I have some experience with a 9 mm handgun, so I take the shot.


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This is dumb.

You try to kill him.

That doesn't change the fact that if the first guy didn't have the gun the entire bullshit hypothetical scenario is for naught.
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Bam! You're dead. The talking gave you away.
Will you sing "Dust in the Wind" at my funeral BVS?
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:13 PM   #144
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Will you sing "Dust in the Wind" at my funeral BVS?

You just tell me what key


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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it. Maybe you have experience with firearms or not at all. But the dying man has give you instructions on how to empty the clip of 9 shots.
Well this sounds totally plausible.
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Well this sounds totally plausible.
If you're scripting "Die Hard 69: Just Don't Die"
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Hypothetical situation:
All other civilized countries implement gun law restrictions and all these countries have a lower rate of death by gun than the US.
Do you also implement gun laws or do you sit around mourning victims?
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Hypothetical: you create these gun restriction laws in the United States. Does gun violence change? Or is it already ingrained in the culture?

Personally I think it'd take three or four decades to see gun violence rates in the US meet the rest of the developed world.
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:45 AM   #149
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Well it looks like I'm taking Headache in a foxhole and we are oil and water on this board.


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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it. Maybe you have experience with firearms or not at all. But the dying man has give you instructions on how to empty the clip of 9 shots.

Here's a hypothetical: You are in a country that has very restrictive gun laws. There's no active shooter, it now turned into a guy wielding a knife.

Now what's harder to defend against? A nutjob with a gun or a nutjob with a knife?
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