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Old 05-20-2010, 11:17 AM   #1
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Rand Paul

Son of Ron, just won the GOP Senate primary in Kentucky. A Tea Party favorite

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Posted Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:08 AM
Rand Paul's Race Comments Roil Kentucky Contest
David A. Graham

Newly minted GOP Senate candidate Rand Paul has already stepped into his first crisis of the campaign, only one day after winning the Kentucky primary. Comments he made about federal civil-rights legislation and segregation during two interviews with national media outlets have earned Paul a barrage of criticism.

During an interview with NPR, Paul, a Tea Party favorite and the son of Rep. Ron Paul, was discussing his belief that many issues shouldn't be handled by the federal government and ought to be handled locally—Paul has in the past criticized the Americans With Disabilities Act as an example of government overreach. Paul was adamant that he supported equal rights and said he hoped he would have had the courage to march with Martin Luther King. But host Robert Siegel pushed him further, and Paul hedged:

SIEGEL: But it's been one of the major developments in American history in the course of your life. I mean, do you think the '64 Civil Rights Act or the ADA, for that matter, were just overreaches and that business shouldn't be bothered by people with the basis in law to sue them for redress?


PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally. For example, I think that we should try to do everything we can to allow for people with disabilities and handicaps. You know, we do it in our office with wheelchair ramps and things like that. I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator. And I think when you get to the solutions like that, the more local the better, and the more common sense the decisions are, rather than having a federal government make those decisions.

Later that evening, on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show, Paul explained further that he didn't like the idea of the government interfering in private business, on the principle that an establishment that espoused racism would be penalized by the market.

MADDOW: How about desegregating lunch counters?

PAUL: Well, what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says, "Well, no, we don't want to have guns in here"; the bar says, "We don't want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each other." Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion.

Left-leaning pundits are already calling for Paul's head this morning. NBC's Joe Scarborough also bashed him on his morning show and on Twitter. The Washington Post's Dave Weigel, who covers conservative politics, says Paul is at least being honest about his views: "So is Rand Paul a racist? No . . . Paul believes, as many conservatives believe, that the government should ban bias in all of its institutions but cannot intervene in the policies of private businesses." Paul, meanwhile, doubled down on his comments in an interview with conservative talk-show host Laura Ingraham this morning.

This isn't the first time that Paul has made comments along these lines, but the spotlight on Paul as Senate nominee and Tea Party standard bearer is now much brighter than it was when he was an upstart underdog challenger for the Republican nomination. As I wrote yesterday, not all conservatives are pleased with Paul, who's got a tight race ahead of him. This furor won't help.
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PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally. For example, I think that we should try to do everything we can to allow for people with disabilities and handicaps. You know, we do it in our office with wheelchair ramps and things like that. I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who's handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator. And I think when you get to the solutions like that, the more local the better, and the more common sense the decisions are, rather than having a federal government make those decisions.
OK, Rand but what if they hire someone and refuse to give them an office on the first floor? What if the employee is disabled after employment?

I'm pretty sure if you were in a wheelchair for just one week you would see how difficult it is to manage in buildings built before the ADA.
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Robert Scheer: Who’s Afraid of Rand Paul? - Robert Scheer's Columns - Truthdig

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Rand Paul is bad on a lot of social issues I care about, and no, I don’t embrace his faith in the social compassion of unfettered free markets. But the alternative we have experienced is not one of a progressive government properly restraining free-market greed but rather, as was amply demonstrated in the pretend regulation of the oil industry, of government as a partner in corporate crime. It is the power of the corporate lobbyists that is at issue, and it is refreshing that candidate Paul has labeled Washington lobbyists a “distinctly criminal class” and favors a ban on lobbying and campaign contributions by those who hold more than a million dollars in federal contracts.
That's generally my thoughts, as well. There is much that he can contribute to the level of discourse in Congress.

And I do find his social conservatism to be downright repugnant, but such is my problem with so-called "paleolibertarians" in general. Considering he would be replacing a conservative Republican senator anyway and that his Democratic counterpart is probably as cowardly as the rest of the party is on these issues (but likely just as socially conservative as the rest of the Southern Democrats regardless), it's generally an irrelevant concern.
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^ I tend to agree.

I don't like him, but he doesn't scare me as much as most neo-cons or other Tea Party leaders so far...
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i LOL'd when someone called him Ayn Rand Paul.
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Rand Paul Says He Has A Tea Party 'Mandate' : NPR

I knew nothing about this guy prior to this week. The more I know the more I am confused about the Tea Party.
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Is his name Randy or Randall or Randolph? Or is it really Rand, as in "I'm named after half of an atlas and map company"?
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It's Randal.

He claims the similarity with Ayn Rand is just a coincidence that his wife started calling him that and neither of them thought about the connection until later.
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he's also against the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

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INTERVIEWER: Would you have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

PAUL: I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that.

INTERVIEWER: But?

PAUL: You had to ask me the “but.” I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners—I abhor racism. I think it’s a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant—but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership. But I absolutely think there should be no discrimination in anything that gets any public funding, and that’s most of what I think the Civil Rights Act was about in my mind.

After adding that he is also a fan of Dr. Martin Luther King, Paul dug in deeper, explaining that he he believes that in a “free society,” private lunch counters must be allowed to refuse service to Dr. King because of his race:

INTERVIEWER: But under your philosophy, it would be okay for Dr. King not to be served at the counter at Woolworths?

PAUL: I would not go to that Woolworths, and I would stand up in my community and say that it is abhorrent, um, but, the hard part—and this is the hard part about believing in freedom—is, if you believe in the First Amendment, for example—you have too, for example, most good defenders of the First Amendment will believe in abhorrent groups standing up and saying awful things. . . . It’s the same way with other behaviors. In a free society, we will tolerate boorish people, who have abhorrent behavior.

Think Progress � Rand Paul: ‘The Hard Part Of Believing In Freedom’ Is Opposing Ban On Whites-Only Lunch Counters


way to go, Tea Party. you've got a lunatic running for the Senate.

because we should have voluntarily decided to repeal Jim Crow laws -- much like, i guess, Cheney thought that people should voluntarily reduce their greenhouse output rather than make laws about it -- and he's clear that he's not for racism or segregation, but he doesn't think we need to actually do anything about it. and, you know, it's not like anyone's going to make him ride in the back of the bus, so why, really, should we *have* to do anything about it?

i find this refreshing, and brave. i'm sure there are many Republicans who would love to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, they're just too polished and savvy to actually come out and say it.

i mean, what mainstream, electable GOP person would have to actually come out and say the following:

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I unequivocally state that I will not support any efforts to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Paul won't back repeal of 1964 act - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
so, like with Trent Lott, we get an illuminating glimpse into the heart of the GOP and what really makes them tick. that's always a good thing.
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so, like with Trent Lott, we get an illuminating glimpse into the heart of the GOP and what really makes them tick. that's always a good thing.
That's a real stretch. I was under the impression that Rand Paul and his father are fringe figures in the GOP.
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That's a real stretch. I was under the impression that Rand Paul and his father are fringe figures in the GOP.


depends on the issue. they want to abolish the Department of Education, and that's pretty fringe. actually coming out and saying that the 1964 Civil Rights Act was bad because it reduced the freedom of whites to discriminate is pretty fringe. and yet, you get the sense that most of these guys share the same generalized indifference towards others.
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That's a real stretch. I was under the impression that Rand Paul and his father are fringe figures in the GOP.
you are absolutely correct.

the Democrats wanted this Rand Paul to win
so they can go against him in the General Election in November

The GOP establishment lined up behind the other GOP candidate
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and yet, you get the sense that most of these guys share the same generalized indifference towards others.
Well, that statement strikes me as a generalisation for a start.

He should just stop answering these sorts of questions as its too easy for the MSM to tie him in knots, given that they have no interest in actually exploring or properly critiquing libertarian ideology for better or worse (and, yes, there's plenty of it that can be critiqued and found wanting), or in anything that can't be explained in 5 second soundbites.

I'll refrain from assuming he's a bigot until he is found pushing a black kid around or painting homophobic slogans on a gay bar.
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because we should have voluntarily decided to repeal Jim Crow laws -- much like, i guess, Cheney thought that people should voluntarily reduce their greenhouse output rather than make laws about it -- and he's clear that he's not for racism or segregation, but he doesn't think we need to actually do anything about it.
Yeah, can you imagine a canidate that says:

I'm against gay marriage but I think it should be handled on a local church level.

I'm against illegal immigration but I don't think the government should get involved.

I'm against abortion but I think the individual should voluntarily just not want one.


The Tea Baggers would be outraged!!!
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