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Old 01-18-2007, 06:36 PM   #16
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Obviously the lady had absolutely no idea consuming a large volume of water can be fatal. Seems the radio station were the same. In this day and age of suits, I am surprised they didn't check the risks beforehand. I am also surprised at how little known it is that drinking excess water is harmful. I even read somewhere once (possible a Dr Karl book ) that it only takes a few litres in one sitting to get yourself into serious bother.
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Judy Linder, a registered nurse, was listening to the program and was so alarmed that she asked a colleague to call and warn the station.

"She told them you could die from water intoxication," Linder told ABC affiliate KXTV in Sacramento. "He [the disc jockey] pretty much blew that off and said they signed a release so, so what? Then he said why don't your guys come down here and do it, and we said because we don't want to die."

According to a tape of the show, the disc jockeys appeared to joke about the possible dangers of consuming too much water and alluded to a college student who had died during such a stunt in 2005.

"Yeah, we're aware of that," one of the disc jockeys said.

Another disc jockey said: "Yeah. They signed releases, so we're not responsible. We're OK."
She probably didn't know, but they knew.

I really hope the contests now will become more creative again.
Not such stupid crap.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:51 PM   #17
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People do the damnedest things.
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The disc jockeys make me sick. They made it out to be some sort of joke and totally blew it off. Unreal.
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Old 01-18-2007, 09:32 PM   #19
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Why shouldn't the lady involved have any responsibility in this? Yes, the radio station people were stupid for doing this, but I think the woman is even stupider for involving herself in this. It's a $250 video games system, hardly worth losing one's life over. Sure, her family will get some money out this, because that's the way the country works, but should she get any? No.
Good point - personal responsibility seems to have gone out the window in our litigation addicted society.
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Old 01-18-2007, 09:45 PM   #20
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Good point - personal responsibility seems to have gone out the window in our litigation addicted society.
Same can be said for the radio station.
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Old 01-18-2007, 11:17 PM   #21
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One aspect of this sad story that I haven't seen addressed is the "shortage" of the Wii and game consoles like this. Don't tell me Microsoft can't produce enough of these machines when they're first released...they deliberately create a demand that can only be satisfied by people waiting outside of stores the night before their release or by buying it for a ridiculous price on eBay.

As for personal responsibility...when it comes to the happiness of their kids, parents often think with their hearts instead of their heads. That's why they camp outside stores for a Wii or shove each other while trying to grab that laughing Elmo doll. And that's why this woman literally drank herself to death. My heart goes out to her family at this heartbreaking time.
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Wouldn't manslaughter be a more appropriate charge?
Than what?
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:57 AM   #23
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Also....I wonder how shows like Fear Factor got away with so much more. Probably because they do thier homework first...unlike this radio station.
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Old 01-19-2007, 01:14 AM   #24
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Why shouldn't the lady involved have any responsibility in this? Yes, the radio station people were stupid for doing this, but I think the woman is even stupider for involving herself in this. It's a $250 video games system, hardly worth losing one's life over. Sure, her family will get some money out this, because that's the way the country works, but should she get any? No.
I do think the radio station had a duty to find out what the potential risks any contest it sponsors subjects it's contestants to and to make sure the contestants know those risks. Then the people running the contest should know what the signs of trouble are and what to do if any of the contestants exhibit those signs.

Both contestant and station (and it's employees) are responsible for the contestant's death. However, I think the point at which the station (and it's employees/interns etc.) became more culpable than the contestant was when that contestant complained that her head hurt and also of lightheadedness (which apparently are classic water intoxication symptoms) and the people running the contest did nothing. By this time the contestant was almost certainly incapable of making rational decisions and so needed someone to do that for her. The station employees were supervising the contest, therefore they should have been watching for signs of water intoxication (which they, by their own admission on the air, knew was possible and knew could be fatal). That they chose to do nothing to get aid for a contestant in distress is what ups their level of blame.

Of course I have no idea how this would hold up in court....
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^ Well said. I think the contestant, like most people would, probably trusted the radio station to have done their research and be prepared for anything which might go wrong (within reason, obviously!).

Anyway, I really, really hate DJs on this sort of show. I hate how they all have the same annoying way of speaking; it's like the movie trailer guys, but a thousand times more irritating.
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One aspect of this sad story that I haven't seen addressed is the "shortage" of the Wii and game consoles like this. Don't tell me Microsoft can't produce enough of these machines when they're first released...they deliberately create a demand that can only be satisfied by people waiting outside of stores the night before their release or by buying it for a ridiculous price on eBay.

As for personal responsibility...when it comes to the happiness of their kids, parents often think with their hearts instead of their heads. That's why they camp outside stores for a Wii or shove each other while trying to grab that laughing Elmo doll. And that's why this woman literally drank herself to death. My heart goes out to her family at this heartbreaking time.
The Wii is made by Nintendo, bit still it's a bit of a stretch to implicate the console manufacturer in any of this.
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Than what?
Manslaughter instead of negligent homicide...that the assholes knew they were setting up a dangerous contest that carried real risks of death, and that they blew off concerns about it, that they joked about it. If you give somebody a bottle of alcohol and say if you can drink this whole bottle at once we'll pay you 300 bucks and they die of alcohol poisoning and people around you are saying hey that's really dangerous and you say who cares she signed a release...is that just "negligence" or is it something for which you should be held more deeply responsible, like if you were knowingly getting behind the wheel drunk and cause a death?

This sounds really awful, I'm glad to hear that the staff got their sadistic obnoxious asses canned.
Sure, this woman wasn't too bright, but it sounds like they *knew* how this could potentially kill someone and thought the whole thing was funny.
It's part and parcel of that whole legalistic instead of caring aspect to our society that they thought they could laugh it all off because hey the fool signed a release...

a sad thing all around...
people assume that they for a radio contest even if they sign a release they are not going to be asked to do something that carries a truly serious risk of harm. And the whole point, not just a small possibility!, of the exercise was to get yourself as close as possible to the danger of death as you can! Totally analogous to how many shots can you do before you go into a coma imho...
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I think this is a really sad story. However, nobody involved acted with bad intentions.

I think it all comes down to the release form she signed. I´m not sure if it´ll hold up in court, though.
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Isn't "negligent homicide" a type of manslaughter, or another word for it? I don't have my MCL book here but I can check when I get home. It's only for Michigan statutes, but it's probably similar if not identical in other states.
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I think this is a really sad story. However, nobody involved acted with bad intentions.

I think it all comes down to the release form she signed. I´m not sure if it´ll hold up in court, though.
You don't need intent in INVOLUNTARY manslaughter or NEGLIGENT homicide.
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