mikal
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I listened to a lot of Michael McDonald as a teen and all I can think about is loving people really hard.
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I listened to a lot of Michael McDonald as a teen and all I can think about is loving people really hard.
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So I guess thugs don't go to church now?
I'm not saying all liberals get it. I'm saying all conservatives don't.
You're painting with a wonderfully broad brush.
I am, because I'm furious. I'm trying to avoid calling AEON racist but his posts are making it difficult to avoid. Thugs and rappers and a bunch of nonsense.
I was listening to War, Unforgettable Fire, and Joshua Tree in my teens...
I wanted to bring something up that Mikal mentioned the other day. He asked why the police officer didn't shoot to wound. It's my understanding, and please, correct me if I'm wrong, but police officers are trained not to shoot to wound. If they're going to shoot, it is only supposed to be in a situation where lethal force is found to be necessary, isn't that the case?
It is absolutely astounding to me the level of faith that some people have in the police, completely separate and apart from this incident.
There is probably no organization (save for maybe the military) where the internal code is followed so cultishly and with such blindness and devotion to make it essentially impossible to extract the truth. There is zero transparency and a remarkable willingness to cover things up that simply does not exist in any other type of profession. For that reason alone I typically don't trust the police as far as I can spit.
Aaaand "Exit" was used as part of a murderer's defence at trial, arguing that it influenced his actions. Now who's the thug/punk/maker-of-tenuous-claims?
(Two can play this game of "look at this violent music!")
I had someone tell me cops were trained to shoot until the immediate threat was gone.
There is probably no organization (save for maybe the military) where the internal code is followed so cultishly and with such blindness and devotion to make it essentially impossible to extract the truth. There is zero transparency and a remarkable willingness to cover things up that simply does not exist in any other type of profession. For that reason alone I typically don't trust the police as far as I can spit.
Thanks. (re the cop/shooting thing)
The way I understood it, the actual ability to "maim shot" or whatever you want to call it, isn't really a simple thing to do, and the chances of accidentally fatally wounding someone, or opening the police department up to a lawsuit are so great, that the only time it's really "worth it" to shoot is when the need is to shoot to kill.
(In which case, IMO, Brown never should have been fired upon)
But Aeon is one person, that's what I'm trying to get at. I know you know that, and I know you're mad, so I'm not trying to snipe at you. I agree with nearly everything you've said. I've been very impressed, in fact, with many of your arguments. It was just that one thing that bothered me.
I apologize that Aeon is taking the brunt of my anger, but he's really the only person I've directly encountered online or otherwise who has come to bat for these cops who have been just despicable at every turn.
Thank you. I know what I'm getting into in this forum. When I get worn out being the only, or one of the few, non-Liberals, I take a break.
I am only "coming to bat" for the officer because I sense he was judged guilty before the facts were established. This is also a national news story and it's a bit easier to find articles to support/debunk a point of view - thus easier to engage in a forum discussion.
My mind is not set in stone on this. It may turn out that the cop did shoot a surrendering Michael Brown. If that is true, he is guilty of some degree of murder. It may turn out he was justified to shoot, but shooting him six times was excessive use of force. Or it may turn out that Michael Brown charged the officer, and kept charging, until he was shot dead.
I am not married to my opinions. As evidence changes - my mind changes.
I just want to know how you can justify shooting him six times, even based on the officers account of what happened, he was running away.
I had someone tell me cops were trained to shoot until the immediate threat was gone.
I mean, I know you hear stories of people hopped up on goofballs and/or rage getting shot in the arm or shoulder and then keep coming at you, but I don't know that that seems to be the case here. Unless a bullet wound directly on top of the head meant that he was charging at the officer, head down, like a bull or something.
It is absolutely astounding to me the level of faith that some people have in the police, completely separate and apart from this incident.
There is probably no organization (save for maybe the military) where the internal code is followed so cultishly and with such blindness and devotion to make it essentially impossible to extract the truth. There is zero transparency and a remarkable willingness to cover things up that simply does not exist in any other type of profession. For that reason alone I typically don't trust the police as far as I can spit.
I'll probably get some shit from 212er for this, but have you met any firefighters lately? The difference being that their line of work doesn't really put them in the same situations as cops regarding what they'd have to try to sweep under the rug. 2/3 of the firefighter civil service test here is a personality test, your score is designed to reflect how well you fit into never ratting out your "brothers."
Most of the stuff that they're sweeping under the rug, in my experience, is marital infidelity. But, I'm from a small city and obviously my dad's not tellin me about some big secret society the fire department has. But, he usually blurts stuff out like that, on occasion and he's never given me reason to think that's the case in my city's department. Again, it's only a city of 30,000, I'm not sure there's much to hide.