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Old 04-11-2015, 05:59 AM   #751
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I can already see where this is going.

The officer doesn't get convicted of murder and goes free. There's outrage from coast to coast about how there's proof that there's no justice for minorities and how cops can do anything they want without worry.

And while some of that may be true, none of it will have anything to do with why he won't be convicted of murder.

South Carolina law apparently requires some degree of premeditation in order to convict someone of murder. That will be almost impossible to prove in this case. Without it, there's no murder conviction.

The DA needs to ensure that the jury is able to convict him off manslaughter so that he can go rot in a jail cell. He's not going to be convicted of murder, not because of a racial divide or cop conspiracy, but because of semantics.
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Old 04-13-2015, 02:57 PM   #752
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you could have a point
but even the right wing conservative radio talkers are writing this guy off

not sure a life sentence would result in riots. also, I expect the Scott family will get a large settlement for wrongful death. Hard to make a case for 'no justice."

I don't think in 2015, 2016 we will have a jury let this off. A hold-out juror, sure.
If he he can get a 'George Zimmerman' defense attorney and jury he will stand a better chance. Could a fleeing Scott have grabbed a gun or knife when he was fleeing? How could the officer know that he did not have one? Had the officer shot him while they were struggling would there be any question? If this one continuous act? Was stopping Scott protecting others that he could be running to harm? Cloud it up, get the right jury.
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:30 PM   #754
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you could have a point
but even the right wing conservative radio talkers are writing this guy off

not sure a life sentence would result in riots. also, I expect the Scott family will get a large settlement for wrongful death. Hard to make a case for 'no justice."

I don't think in 2015, 2016 we will have a jury let this off. A hold-out juror, sure.
If he he can get a 'George Zimmerman' defense attorney and jury he will stand a better chance. Could a fleeing Scott have grabbed a gun or knife when he was fleeing? How could the officer know that he did not have one? Had the officer shot him while they were struggling would there be any question? If this one continuous act? Was stopping Scott protecting others that he could be running to harm? Cloud it up, get the right jury.
My point is only that the charge of first degree murder in that state requires premeditation. If there is no premeditation, you can not convict anyone in that charge. If that's the only charge filed, the man goes free. The burden of proof is very high.

Zimmerman went free not because he didn't kill someone, but because the DA was overzealous and only charged him with a charge that was very difficult to prove.

Sometimes people go free cause of racial bias. Sometimes they go free cause the DA is an ass hat. Zimmerman is free cause the DA was an ass hat. I don't want to see the same thing happen here.

The jury can believe that the officer acted maliciously. They can believe that the officer is a racist and only shot because the suspect was black. But if there is no premeditation proven, then they can not convict him of first degree murder.
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Poor Baltimore.
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I think a guy on CNN from the community put it best "We're doing it the wrong way. But until we get justice, people aren't going to calm down."


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Racist Police Response to Ferguson Protests

Looming at my FB feed, it's amazing how different people see different things. Some give up general pleas for peace, others decry thugs and declare their support for law enforcement, others post videos of cops throwing rocks or bystanders inciting the crowds. It's all those things when we live in different Americas.

And that's just my dumb group of friends.

It's all very sad.
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The details of the murder of Freddie Gray are horrifying.
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Whole thing is horribly upsetting.
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This illustrates why so many in Baltimore are so angry. My heart breaks for the city and the families of the victims of police brutality. http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/
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Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.
Fuck's sake.
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Jesus that's fucked up.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:55 AM   #763
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Why would anyone want to burn down a CVS store and risk the lives of the people working there? What the hell did CVS do to them to justify that?
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That's the one thing I don't get. Sure, you get angry and want to protest... but why the hell does that justify destroying random properties of innocent bystanders? Destroying one other's property has NOTHING to do with these people's reasons for being angry, it's total bullshit and does NOT aide to a solution whatshowever. It only makes them look like a bunch of giant douchebags, rather than normal human beings protesting for their rights.
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Now we just need someone to come in and post 'MLK wouldn't have wanted this!!!' and we're all good for this thread.
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