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Old 01-01-2015, 05:19 PM   #661
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A majority of people in Texas don't support it. Majority should rule; as it always has. Not everyone is going to be happy about every decision. That's why, like I said, California can legalize it. The majority of their population will support it.


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Maybe here is where I should say "screw you, you bring nothing to the conversation"?

Nah, that's how someone who can't debate would counter this.


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Majority rule doesn't trump equality for all citizens. What if one state wanted to legalize segregation? Or one state wanted to discriminate against Jewish people? Would you still say that "not everyone is going to be happy about every decision?"


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Fair counterpoint, but totally different. Gay people have rights. They can vote, use the same utilities, etc. They have the same rights just as everyone else. They can also get married in nearly every state now. Let me say this though, I absolutely am disgusted when people compare gay marriage to slavery (I know you're only referring to segregation). Black people were tortured and oppressed, had no rights, and only 3 out of every 5 of them even were counted as a human being. Thank God for men like MLK and Frederick Douglas for the contributions they made towards a real inequality issue imo. Gay people are treated better in this country than almost anywhere else in the world, so I don't get all the fuss.
I know these are very sensitive issues and I'm trying not to totally insult everyone, as that is not my intention. However, I'm really tired of the fact that if anyone opposes gay marriage, they're the scum of the earth. From a personal perspective, I do not support gay marriage from a religious point of view. However, religion should not dictate our government, as it was never designed to do so. There are many legal and conflicting ramifications throughout our country and because they have just as many rights as anyone, except for marriage in a few states, that it should be a state issue.


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Old 01-01-2015, 05:21 PM   #663
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Anyone that argues that states should decide for themselves is making the state's rights argument. That worked for segregation, Jim Crow laws, and slavery, until it didn't.

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Maybe here is where I should say "screw you, you bring nothing to the conversation"?

Nah, that's how someone who can't debate would counter this.


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Well. Since you don't bring anything to any debate you've ever been in, your opinion is absolutely worthless.


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Fair counterpoint, but totally different. Gay people have rights. They can vote, use the same utilities, etc. They have the same rights just as everyone else.
No, they don't have the same rights as everyone else, that's the whole point.



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Old 01-01-2015, 05:26 PM   #666
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No, they don't have the same rights as everyone else, that's the whole point.



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What exactly besides getting married can they not do? Do we throw them in jail?...Stone them?... Like they do in the Middle East and Russia....


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What exactly besides getting married can they not do? Do we throw them in jail?...Stone them?... Like they do in the Middle East and Russia....


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There are financial, governmental, and healthcare benefits that come with marriage, it's not just a ceremony.

Your Middle East comment is just as bad as the slavery comparison that you JUST commented on, way to go.


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Your Middle East comment is just as bad as the slavery comparison that you JUST commented on, way to go.


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How so? Same group of people. Comparing how much better they are treated here than in other places around the world.


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How so? Same group of people. Comparing how much better they are treated here than in other places around the world.


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Really? Would you justify denying Jews certain rights by saying, "well we treat you better than Hitler so deal with it"?


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What exactly besides getting married can they not do? Do we throw them in jail?...Stone them?... Like they do in the Middle East and Russia....


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You're just a group of people, but come on we don't jail you here, be grateful.
I have some neighbors in classic Orange County So-Cal Suburbia...they are self described "partners"...they had a wonderful Christmas party and most of the neighbors attended. Yes, they invited some of their more "flamboyant" friends and yes, the one partner asked me several times if I was scared...I guess I give off a corn-cob-in-butt-vibe...but I said to him, "you know- my Grandma told me long ago that our goal in life is to create positive memories-and you're doing that. Thank you, I'm having fun!"

The point is this - the more time I spend around gay people, the less I even think about out. EVERY person has a story, an interesting one...if you take a moment to listen.
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I have some neighbors in classic Orange County So-Cal Suburbia...they are self described "partners"...they had a wonderful Christmas party and most of the neighbors attended. Yes, they invited some of their more "flamboyant" friends and yes, the one partner asked me several times if I was scared...I guess I give off a corn-cob-in-butt-vibe...but I said to him, "you know- my Grandma told me long ago that our goal in life is to create positive memories-and you're doing that. Thank you, I'm having fun!"



The point is this - the more time I spend around gay people, the less I even think about out. EVERY person has a story, an interesting one...if you take a moment to listen.

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I have some neighbors in classic Orange County So-Cal Suburbia...they are self described "partners"...they had a wonderful Christmas party and most of the neighbors attended. Yes, they invited some of their more "flamboyant" friends and yes, the one partner asked me several times if I was scared...I guess I give off a corn-cob-in-butt-vibe...but I said to him, "you know- my Grandma told me long ago that our goal in life is to create positive memories-and you're doing that. Thank you, I'm having fun!"

The point is this - the more time I spend around gay people, the less I even think about out. EVERY person has a story, an interesting one...if you take a moment to listen.


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[QUOTE=AEON;7903230]Yes, they invited some of their more "flamboyant" friends and yes, the one partner asked me several times if I was scared...I guess I give off a corn-cob-in-butt-vibe...QUOTE]

There are so many jokes that can be made with this line that I'm at a loss to choose only one.

So make your own, folks.

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