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Old 08-24-2014, 09:39 PM   #361
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And that's just fine. I agree. Wasn't saying I didn't agree. But silencing the other side, completely is wrong. But I don't think every crackpot theory should get equal airtime, either. I've never liked that system of news reporting, either.


i think that's what we're complaining about -- presenting "now, here's the other side ... we report, you decide ... teach the controversy" equivocates between two opinions that don't deserve the same weight. creationism isn't a different opinion from evolution. one is a scientific theory and the other is a religious belief. they aren't comparable. that's all.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:01 PM   #362
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i think that's what we're complaining about -- presenting "now, here's the other side ... we report, you decide ... teach the controversy" equivocates between two opinions that don't deserve the same weight. creationism isn't a different opinion from evolution. one is a scientific theory and the other is a religious belief. they aren't comparable. that's all.

Exactly, teaching or giving airtime to both sides when one side is completely wrong just isn't right. It's misleading to say that there's a debate over things such as whether creationism is true or whether the climate is changing. Giving airtime to both sides in a false equivalency situation is damaging to society. It's one of the reasons why we haven't taken any serious action to combat climate change.


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Old 08-24-2014, 10:05 PM   #363
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Again, those are two different topics with different sides.

You should be able to hear both sides, perhaps even break it down into several facets, I think we used to do that as part of civil conversation at some point. Now it seems you either follow one school of thought or you are completely opposed to it. The gray has been removed. I guess it makes for better pseudo debate on fox and cnn


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Old 08-24-2014, 10:06 PM   #364
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i think that's what we're complaining about -- presenting "now, here's the other side ... we report, you decide ... teach the controversy" equivocates between two opinions that don't deserve the same weight. creationism isn't a different opinion from evolution. one is a scientific theory and the other is a religious belief. they aren't comparable. that's all.
I think what I was trying to say got lost in the shuffle of me being at a festival right now. But basically I totally agree. Believe that or not.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:08 PM   #365
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Off topic what festival and was U2 there


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Again, those are two different topics with different sides.

You should be able to hear both sides, perhaps even break it down into several facets, I think we used to do that as part of civil conversation at some point. Now it seems you either follow one school of thought or you are completely opposed to it. The gray has been removed. I guess it makes for better pseudo debate on fox and cnn


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No. What's happened is that there used to be a center, if you will. There was agreed upon facts that were reported by a small number of need outlets. Now, there's infinite choice, which means fewer agrees upon facts, and he ability for people to exist in the echo chamber of a comments section on certain websites, or the ability to change the channel to more agreeable news when you don't like the reality of what's being reported. It's more and more grey that's the problem, IMO.


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Yeah to read both sides and go beyond page 1 of google, cnn, fox etc is sobering. To learn about something is to really consider what you don't agree with, which is hard for some people.

And I'm glad the name calling here is minimal!


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FYF fest. No, no U2, lol.
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That was actually a very impressive lineup. Lot of up and comers. Did you get to catch caribou(oldie but goodie)?


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Could we maybe take the discussions about media balance to a new thread and get back on topic here?
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No. What's happened is that there used to be a center, if you will. There was agreed upon facts that were reported by a small number of need outlets. Now, there's infinite choice, which means fewer agrees upon facts, and he ability for people to exist in the echo chamber of a comments section on certain websites, or the ability to change the channel to more agreeable news when you don't like the reality of what's being reported. It's more and more grey that's the problem, IMO.


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What do you think will happen in Ferguson (and the rest of the nation) if no charges are filed against Darren Wilson? (even if forensics, DOJ, and FBI all agree there was not enough evidence to charge). This is a hypothetical question.
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What do you think will happen in Ferguson (and the rest of the nation) if no charges are filed against Darren Wilson? (even if forensics, DOJ, and FBI all agree there was not enough evidence to charge). This is a hypothetical question.
Whew. Considering what we've seen already, I don't want to imagine that scenario.
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How long do they have to file?


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I was just wondering about that last night. Is he just sitting at home chilling right now? I thought that they did, at the very least, deem his death to be a homicide. Does the police officer just...walk around free until they file a charge?

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No, we saw Caribou open for Radiohead a couple years ago and they haven't (yet) released anything new since, so we decided to pass. It was an OK festival that was very poorly managed.
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