Racist Police Response to Ferguson Protests - Page 22 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-21-2014, 11:04 AM   #316
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
Agreed. I've been following the Ferguson threads on metafilter (which tends to run liberal, and unlike reddit, doesn't seem to suffer from the noise that comes from the extremes), and they really have been excellent about keeping tabs on all incoming information and fleshing out what has been reported.
Is there a site that is really know for just presenting the facts of the news, as they are known?

I don't mind editorials, but only when I know I'm reading an editorial. When I hear/read a reporter begin to add their own slant - the alarms start going off.

I guess if these sites do exist, they are a small. There's not as much money appealing to the ever shrinking "middle" of the spectrum.
__________________

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:36 AM   #317
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,858
Local Time: 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEON View Post
I thought this was interesting and relevant to some of the points we discussed earlier (regarding the eyewitnesses).

Why witnesses are often wrong - CNN.com Video
I'm well aware of the legal standing of eyewitnesses vs. hard evidence. I simply think this is a special case where I am trusting the eyewitnesses over statements given by the police over what was going on because this police department is not to be trusted.
__________________

__________________
PhilsFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:43 AM   #318
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,858
Local Time: 07:28 PM
Also, this is a post about how the orbital fracture thing might be bullshit started by a right wing blogger:

Jim Hoft's Unsourced Claim That Officer Darren Wilson Had an "Orbital Blowout Fracture of the Eye Socket" - Little Green Footballs
__________________
PhilsFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:45 AM   #319
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
I'm well aware of the legal standing of eyewitnesses vs. hard evidence. I simply think this is a special case where I am trusting the eyewitnesses over statements given by the police over what was going on because this police department is not to be trusted.
Then what do you think of the eyewitness (Ferguson resident, presumably African-American) who claims Michael Brown charged the officer while the officer was shooting?
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:53 AM   #320
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,234
Local Time: 06:28 PM
At this point there are 4 independent witnesses whose stories agree quite remarkably and have from the day of the incident, and whose stories don't agree with this other witness. That doesn't necessarily mean the 4 are correct and this one isn't, but it certainly does give more credibility to their narrative, seeing as they all had different vantage points of the incident, only 2 of them actually know each other (boss/employee relationship), and yet their stories match up quite closely.

The police also confiscated the cell phone from one of the witnesses who had recorded the incident. One would think that if the cell phone recording exonerated the officer's actions, they would have released the recording by now.

Though granted, what the police might consider justifiable actions might not mesh with what the general public considers justifiable (see the recent STL shooting of a mentally disturbed man that the STL police felt ok releasing video from).
__________________
Diemen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 12:00 PM   #321
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
Also, this is a post about how the orbital fracture thing might be bullshit started by a right wing blogger:

Jim Hoft's Unsourced Claim That Officer Darren Wilson Had an "Orbital Blowout Fracture of the Eye Socket" - Little Green Footballs
Yeah - I'm fairly skeptical of these initial reports. We will need something WAY more official than this. I think most witnesses have said there was some altercation at the car. That' about all we can really "know" at this point.

However, this part of the altercation only "sets the stage" - still important, but not NEARLY as important as what was happening when Darren Wilson started shooting (aside from the possible single shot in the vehicle).

Even if Darren Wilson WAS assaulted this violently - even if Michael Brown had reached for the weapon - if Michael Brown indeed surrendered (or froze as commanded) then Michael Brown should have been arrested and charged for that crime.

If the Darren Wilson had the mental capacity (after being injured) to chase Michael and not gun him down immediately (which, according to many of the analysts on TV - would have been legally justified because of the assault and reaching for the weapon) - then he had the mental capacity to apprehend a surrendering suspect without shooting.

I will only think this shooting is justified (yet still tragic) if it is proven that Michael Brown assaulted the officer AND was charging/kept moving forward after he froze.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 12:03 PM   #322
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,858
Local Time: 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEON View Post
Then what do you think of the eyewitness (Ferguson resident, presumably African-American) who claims Michael Brown charged the officer while the officer was shooting?
I listened to the audio and couldn't hear shit so I'm a bit skeptical of the transcript.
__________________
PhilsFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 12:18 PM   #323
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
I listened to the audio and couldn't hear shit so I'm a bit skeptical of the transcript.
I think CNN also verified...

But I'm guessing/hoping that between the FBI, Justice Department, State Police...etc. that they have enough official witnesses (not necessarily the ones that have spoken to the media - because it could literally be dangerous for some to publicly share something that may benefit Darren Wilson) to develop a picture that fits the forensics.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 08:44 PM   #324
Blue Crack Addict
 
Vlad n U 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 28,011
Local Time: 10:58 AM
Had anyone noticed this?

__________________
Vlad n U 2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2014, 11:13 PM   #325
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2 View Post
Had anyone noticed this?

The ones on the web have 2014-08-09

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 04:11 PM   #326
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,640
Local Time: 06:28 PM
Now reports say the blogger completely fabricated the story of the fractured orbital socket

And apparently the blogger has a history of this.


Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 05:10 PM   #327
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
Now reports say the blogger completely fabricated the story of the fractured orbital socket

And apparently the blogger has a history of this.


Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
Yeah - we really won't know much until we some official releases. From what I understand - that may take awhile.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 05:54 PM   #328
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,234
Local Time: 06:28 PM
I'm a bit baffled by the info that was on the heavily redacted incident reports given to the ACLU after they filed a lawsuit under FOIA (or Missouri's similar state laws):

Quote:
•On Aug. 12, the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri asked the Ferguson Police Department to release the complete incident report for the Aug. 9 fatal shooting of Michael Brown. After the request was denied, the ACLU filed a Missouri Sunshine Law suit on Aug. 15.

•On Aug. 20th we received the St. Louis County Police Department's incident report, which only includes barebones information and lacks any narrative description of what occurred. The county report classifies the shooting as a homicide.

•The report from the St. Louis County Police reveals a time discrepancy which further suggests there is much the public doesn’t know. The county report shows a 43 minute delay before anyone called the county police and another 47 minute delay before the county police arrived on the scene.

•The following day, Aug. 21, the ACLU received the Ferguson Police Department's incident report. It was redacted, and also lacked any narrative description of what occurred.

It is deeply troubling and unacceptable that the two incident reports we’ve received completely lack any detailed information of what happened when Officer Darren Wilson encountered and then shot an unarmed Michael Brown. Two weeks after the shooting, this demonstrates a continued lack of transparency and adds to confusion about the events of the day. We still do not have what should be publicly available information about the police shooting of Michael Brown.
I don't understand why an incident report wouldn't... report what happened in the incident. Also, the time delay between the incident and Wilson first calling dispatch, and then between that and police responding to the scene are troubling (to say the least).
__________________
Diemen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 06:25 PM   #329
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
I'm a bit baffled by the info that was on the heavily redacted incident reports given to the ACLU after they filed a lawsuit under FOIA (or Missouri's similar state laws):



I don't understand why an incident report wouldn't... report what happened in the incident. Also, the time delay between the incident and Wilson first calling dispatch, and then between that and police responding to the scene are troubling (to say the least).
Is there anyone here who knows if this "normally" the case in high profile shootings? On CNN, they tend to think the prosecution is doing everything it can to avoid mistakes. I haven't heard much else about the lack of information (other than frustration).
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2014, 07:02 PM   #330
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,640
Local Time: 06:28 PM
The latest I've heard is that a robbery didn't happen. A store clerk didn't call it in, but a customer that was confused as to what they saw. The shoving was over a verbal altercation.

Of course this may be as reliable as the blogger


Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
__________________

__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com