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Old 08-14-2014, 02:23 PM   #16
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Of course this is about race. One of the greatest misconceptions about racism, especially in this country, is that it's only about active individual acts of discrimination. This is the litigation-based culture of racism (which, to be fair, managed to achieve significant progress). But there's a widespread tendency to overlook structural issues - like racial imbalances in police forces, overlay of race and class, or criminal laws that de facto cause bias against racial minorities - that for all intents and purposes are racist if not in design, at least in consequence.
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Old 08-14-2014, 02:36 PM   #17
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I wasn't insinuating, just for the record, that it wasn't about race. More to the point, we've just talked, before, about how thread titles can totally color the thread itself.
Oh I knew you weren't, I didn't mean to imply anything like that. But racism was put in the title by design, I'm not really interested in reading a conversation about this that doesn't involve race.
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Of course this is about race. One of the greatest misconceptions about racism, especially in this country, is that it's only about active individual acts of discrimination. This is the litigation-based culture of racism (which, to be fair, managed to achieve significant progress). But there's a widespread tendency to overlook structural issues - like racial imbalances in police forces, overlay of race and class, or criminal laws that de facto cause bias against racial minorities - that for all intents and purposes are racist if not in design, at least in consequence.
My mother is from St. Louis and she remarked that it was odd to her how white the police force is. "The Philly police force matches the demographics now. For some reason, it looks like St. Louis's still doesn't. It's a really black city but there are hardly any black cops involved."
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My mother is from St. Louis and she remarked that it was odd to her how white the police force is. "The Philly police force matches the demographics now. For some reason, it looks like St. Louis's still doesn't. It's a really black city but there are hardly any black cops involved."
The Washington Post had a very instructive graph about racial imbalances in the police force across the country. It's quite starking in some cases.

Where police forces don't resemble the community - Washington Post
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and then you have serious academic research that reaches conclusions like this:

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… when compared with other groups, African American protesters are more likely to draw police presence and that once police are present they are more likely to make arrests, use force and violence, and use force and violence in combination with arrests at African American protest events.
Who protests determines how police respond - The Washington Post

So yeah, one can choose to bury one's head in the sand.
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I've always been a tiny bit uncomfortable with the idea that every job has to exactly match demographics. In the police force, I can see where that is entirely something that needs to happen, because there needs to be a feeling of equality in the place where law and order are supposed to reign. But, my dad is a fireman and I've heard all too often about them being forced to hire a minority into a new position, when one opens, rather than the person most qualified for the job and in a position like that, that scares me. These are the guys that are, you know, saving lives throughout the city. The quota system might be a good idea, in theory, but when good employees are passed over in favor of filling a number system, that doesn't sit right with me.



Anyways,

What was up with that air traffic ban they temporarily had over the city? Were people really shooting at police helicopters?
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As usual, The Onion says it best Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
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Michael Brown named suspect in robbery that happened before shooting | KMOV.com St. Louis
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oh, well, it's ok to shoot him dead in the street then. Phew, glad all that is over now.
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Interesting.
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oh, well, it's ok to shoot him dead in the street then. Phew, glad all that is over now.
I am going to guess more of the story will be available soon. It seems the officer was treated for injuries after the incident:
Darren Wilson: Ferguson police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown identified - CBS News

I think the police department should have released some of this information sooner. It may have helped nip the controversy in the bud. There still may have been "some" protests...but people have a hard time rallying behind a man that just committed robbery and injured a cop moments before he was shot.
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Doesn't really change much, in my opinion. If I had been the alleged robber, I would not have been shot and killed that night.
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The whole thing just shows how completely incompetent the police department is; they should have released this much sooner, if this eye witness is also a suspect why is he not arrested, everything about the shooting has red flags all over it, the arresting of journalist, the using of tear gas, etc...


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The whole thing just shows how completely incompetent the police department is; they should have released this much sooner, if this eye witness is also a suspect why is he not arrested, everything about the shooting has red flags all over it, the arresting of journalist, the using of tear gas, etc...


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All of these are valid points. I think most despise the way the police handled the protests. They certainly stoked the fire with their reaction.

It's also a good point that the other suspect was not arrested.
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Doesn't really change much, in my opinion. If I had been the alleged robber, I would not have been shot and killed that night.
Unless you physically assaulted the officer and tried to take his gun (if that happened).
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