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Old 08-18-2014, 03:30 PM   #166
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I love rap and hip-hop, have done drugs in the past, have stolen items in my youth, got into fistfights, and was friends with gang members because I grew up in a poorer neighbourhood.

Yet no one ever called me a thug. I was going through a "phase" according to many people who talked to me.

Why is that?
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Old 08-18-2014, 03:36 PM   #167
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I'll believe the eyewitnesses, thanks.
I'll believe the science...

Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts - Scientific American
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Oh for fuck sake. Seriously? I'm guessing you don't know a lot of American teenagers.

Like I said, bending over backwards.


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I understand that eyewitness accounts are unreliable, but the police response from immediately after the shooting (is it common to leave a shooting victim in the street without calling an ambulance?), through today has given me absolutely no confidence in their own ability to construct a narrative of what actually happened.

So now, I'm not buying what they're selling.
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I love rap and hip-hop, have done drugs in the past, have stolen items in my youth, got into fistfights, and was friends with gang members because I grew up in a poorer neighbourhood.

Yet no one ever called me a thug. I was going through a "phase" according to many people who talked to me.

Why is that?

If you were white, you were probably called a "punk" for doing these things. And the more you lived the life - the less credibility you would have when you said, "but I didn't do it." That is why reputation does matter when considering things like this. It's not everything, but it is a factor. If we found out Michael Brown was shot walking home from church choir practice or feeding the homeless - then there would be some different reactions.

And, to be clear, I do not think someone deserves to be shot for stealing cigars or rapping about the glorious thug life. However, IF the officer's story is proven true by the science of the case - then Michael Brown unfortunately made some very poor decisions during the last 15 minutes of his life, the very life he glamorized in his songs.

I'm an ordinary looking white guy - and if I punched and pushed a local cop of any race and fought for his gun - then charged at him after that - then I would expect death by bullets. And I'm not 6'4" and 300 lbs.
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In regards to Michael Brown - he wasn't just rapping about the thug life, he was living it just minutes prior to his shooting.
Really?. Living the thug life by stealing some cigars and pushing a clerk out of the way?

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Again - this does not prove anything other than things are not so cut and dry as many here want to make it appear.
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Really?

Meanwhile, your cut and dried version appears to be: Michael Brown, a thug, got what was coming to him, because, as the thug he so obviously was, he left the officer no other choice.
Assaulting the officer, fighting for the gun, charging the officer while ordered to freeze - these are the things that would leave the officer no other choice. Everything else about Michael Brown's character makes that side of the story more plausible (but not true).

On the flip side - if we found out Darren William was into Hate Metal, well - that would also say something about him and may lead us to think he used a small legal window in order to unleash his hatred.
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It's not everything, but it is a factor. If we found out Michael Brown was shot walking home from church choir practice or feeding the homeless - then there would be some different reactions.
Because "thugs" can't also be good people who do these things?

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And, to be clear, I do not think someone deserves to be shot for stealing cigars or rapping about the glorious thug life.
Then why bring it up?
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This sounds like the argument that dressing provocatively and sleeping around leads to contributory negligence re: rape.
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Then why bring it up?
As I said above - it makes the officer's side of the story more plausible.
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If you were white, you were probably called a "punk" for doing these things. And the more you lived the life - the less credibility you would have when you said, "but I didn't do it." That is why reputation does matter when considering things like this. It's not everything, but it is a factor. If we found out Michael Brown was shot walking home from church choir practice or feeding the homeless - then there would be some different reactions.

And, to be clear, I do not think someone deserves to be shot for stealing cigars or rapping about the glorious thug life. However, IF the officer's story is proven true by the science of the case - then Michael Brown unfortunately made some very poor decisions during the last 15 minutes of his life, the very life he glamorized in his songs.

I'm an ordinary looking white guy - and if I punched and pushed a local cop of any race and fought for his gun - then charged at him after that - then I would expect death by bullets. And I'm not 6'4" and 300 lbs.

If Brown was white and was walking home from church choir practice and was shot and killed, you wouldn't be so quick to accept that he lunged at and scuffled with the police officer because he wasn't in to "thug" life.
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If Brown was white and was walking home from church choir practice and was shot and killed, you wouldn't be so quick to accept that he lunged at and scuffled with the police officer because he wasn't in to "thug" life.
If Brown was ANY COLOR and was walking home from church choir practice and was shot and killed, I wouldn't be so quick to accept that he lunged at and scuffled with the police officer because he wasn't in to "thug/punk" life.
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