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Old 08-18-2014, 11:10 AM   #151
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Beyond that - it will be difficult to prove that Michael was surrendering or charging.
Not really. If all three autopsies agree about the bullet entry in the brow, it will be very difficult to prove he was "charging" due to his height.



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Old 08-18-2014, 11:39 AM   #152
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Amid angry condemnations of the police and pledges to move away from the mean streets of Ferguson, one man describes what he saw as he witnessed the shooting. He seems to describe how the 6 foot, 4 inch, 300-pound Brown tussled with Police Officer Darren Wilson and charged him, an account that may corroborate Wilson's story and cast doubt on claims of other purported witnesses who say Wilson shot Brown as he ran away, his hands in the air.

"I mean, the police was in the truck [sic] and he was, like, over the truck," the man says. "So then he ran, police got out and ran after him.

“The next thing I know, he comes back towards them. The police had his guns drawn on him."
YouTube video captures purported witness backing police version in Ferguson shooting | Fox News
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We need to get beyond cartoonish understandings of racism and start to understand how race permeates everything,
Do you consider yourself a racist?
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:55 PM   #155
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Mikal,

I originally heard about it here:

LiveLeak.com - Michael Brown Eye Witness Crime Scene Video, FULL : videos

It is certainly not definitive, but it does indicate there are multiple versions of the shooting.

On CNN this morning a witness just claimed Michael Brown was shot several times from behind while the officer was in pursuit.
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Do you consider yourself a racist?

I consider myself racially aware.


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I'm not sure I know what that means and how it is different from being a racist. Is locking your car door a black neighborhood racially aware or racist?
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Aeon, I think you're stretching just as much as those you're disagreeing with when you make the connection from shoving a clerk out of the way to grabbing a police officer's gun. It makes your charge of people being hasty in their assumptions just a bit compromised when you think a kid who shoplifts and then pushes a clerk out of his way would totally, obviously also charge a cop and try and get his gun, despite the completely different authority and power dynamics between the two situations.

It also really bothers me that you've given to labeling Brown as a "thug."
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This video is inconclusive, but it certainly could be interpreted as Michael Brown at the register paying for something:

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It also really bothers me that you've given to labeling Brown as a "thug."
'GENTLE GIANT': Mike Brown’s VERY Explicit Rap Songs Praising Drugs, Drinking, Ho's & Murder | Clash Daily
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Oh, so because he has a rap song (you do know that there are a lot of rap songs written by people who have never committed a violent crime, right? You do know that hyperbolic braggadocio is common in rap, right? You do know that singing a song about something is different than actually doing it, right?), he's automatically a thug? And you're trying to argue that this isn't about race??

Seriously, Aeon, this is really unbecoming of you.
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I don't blame rap. I bet he played some violent video games........with black people in them.


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Oh, so because he has a rap song (you do know that there are a lot of rap songs written by people who have never committed a violent crime, right? You do know that hyperbolic braggadocio is common in rap, right? You do know that singing a song about something is different than actually doing it, right?), he's automatically a thug? And you're trying to argue that this isn't about race??

Seriously, Aeon, this is really unbecoming of you.
And if we discovered the officer sang in a Neo-Nazi Thrash Metal band that wouldn't impact your assessment?
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Oooh Aeon, Let's do something differently, It doesn't have to be this way
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And you're trying to argue that this isn't about race??
I'm not quite sure I made that claim because "this" also includes the protests, riots, and police overreaction - which certainly includes racial tension.

In regards to Michael Brown - he wasn't just rapping about the thug life, he was living it just minutes prior to his shooting (even his friend admitted Michael committed a strong-armed robbery - a felony - minutes prior to the shooting, if you don't accept the surveillance videos as proof).

Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery

There is now a breaking story on CNN that someone inside the investigation team just leaked that the forensics match officer Darren Wilson's story. Again - this does not prove anything other than things are not so cut and dry as many here want to make it appear.
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