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Old 08-31-2016, 11:06 PM   #661
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One of the most eye-opening experiences I had concerning Islam was in Istanbul, where many women were wearing traditional Muslim headwear, but in ways that accented their outfits - as a fashion statement. A hijab or burka is not necessarily a sign of traditionalism.
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:09 AM   #662
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I just finished reading Persepolis and there was a great chapter about the ways people would show their defiance to wearing them, simply by letting their bangs show.

Though of course that was a country where wearing them is the law, still.

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Old 09-01-2016, 09:29 AM   #663
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I just finished reading Persepolis and there was a great chapter about the ways people would show their defiance to wearing them, simply by letting their bangs show.

Though of course that was a country where wearing them is the law, still.
This reminds me of a world monotheism class I took as an elective in University, large class of like 400+ where a student insisted that "every hair shown [on a woman] is a stab through the heart of Allah."
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:28 PM   #664
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In the particular case of Islam, it is very much so a man-on-woman act. Nobody look at my wife because she's for my private eyes only. It's somewhat possessive.
i would suggest coming to toronto and seeing how many women freely choose to wear the hijab (or not) before you make a blanket statement like that, my friend.

and also, it is stated explicitly several times in the torah and the bible that women must cover their heads due to their inferiority to men, so i really don't know why you think there's any difference with the examples i gave.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:49 PM   #665
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i would suggest coming to toronto and seeing how many women freely choose to wear the hijab (or not) before you make a blanket statement like that, my friend.

and also, it is stated explicitly several times in the torah and the bible that women must cover their heads due to their inferiority to men, so i really don't know why you think there's any difference with the examples i gave.

Blanket statement? It's not a blanket statement. I never suggested it was the viewpoint of every Muslim, nor did I suggest it was exclusive to the scriptures of Islam.

And excuse me for not being as cultured as Toronto. I suppose growing up as a first generation Egyptian American within that society, living in a diverse and touristic population of Orlando later on, and now living in a city in England where being white doesn't constitute you as part of a majority, I suppose I must just be some ass backwards Casey Anthony you see on TV. But yeah, Toronto.

And where was I singling out Christianity or Judaism as not potentially objectifying women? It's a product of patriarchal religions. Inclusive of Christianity and Judaism. You're being defensive of Islam, simply because you feel like I'm attacking it. I don't make an exception for one religion or another, it just so happened to be the discussion at hand. And like I said, the most important part of freedom of religion is your ability to choose what religion you have or do not have. I'm not going to "shame" someone because of a choice they make, even if that choice has no agreement or appeal to me.
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i think we'd better walk away from this field of strawmen i can see we've both created and just set it on fire.

apologies if you took my words personally.
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Speaking of Amish, don't they like, allow their people a year in the city life and give them the choice to stay or go?
Rumspringa!

i saw a fascinating documentary a few years back that followed a handful of Amish teens on their year of Rumspringa. Man, those kids partied HARD. If i recall correctly, most if not all of them then returned to the community.
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If you're going to be the hero who stands up against oppression, probably best not to wear a shirt featuring Fidel Castro.
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i think we'd better walk away from this field of strawmen i can see we've both created and just set it on fire.

apologies if you took my words personally.

Love ya Dave, sorry for getting testy.
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And excuse me for not being as cultured as Toronto. I suppose growing up as a first generation Egyptian American within that society, living in a diverse and touristic population of Orlando later on, and now living in a city in England where being white doesn't constitute you as part of a majority, I suppose I must just be some ass backwards Casey Anthony you see on TV. But yeah, Toronto.
Casey Anthony really did some serious damage to the Orlando area.

Good for you for moving to England. Florida is a complete shithole that doesn't have any culture whatsoever.
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Central Florida typically is the exception. Ironically, media would make you think otherwise.
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People who make sweeping generalizations about nation-states with more than 20m people are dickheads.
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People who make sweeping generalizations about nation-states with more than 20m people are dickheads.
Except Canada... All of those sweeping generalizations are true
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Except Canada... All of those sweeping generalizations are true


Well, obviously. Everyone knows that.
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Love ya Dave, sorry for getting testy.
no worries, i did (and do ) too.
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