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Old 08-30-2016, 10:00 AM   #631
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That's just a load of crap.

Agree or disagree with his stance, the entire point of America is that he should be afforded the freedom to make his stance.

Perhaps Kaepernick just wants to make America great again.
Rich white man calls the system rigged and he's considered "anti-establishment" and they want to give him the keys to the kingdom.

Rich black man calls the system oppressive and he's called a traitor and suggestions of bounties for his head are all over the internet.

Very telling...
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:03 AM   #632
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Rich white man calls the system rigged and he's considered "anti-establishment" and they want to give him the keys to the kingdom.

Rich black man calls the system oppressive and he's called a traitor and suggestions of bounties for his head are all over the internet.

Very telling...
I mean... Trump's entire thing is that we need to make America great again, but when somebody exercises his constitutional rights to protest American policy, Trump thinks he should find another country if he doesn't like it.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:40 PM   #633
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That's just a load of crap.

Agree or disagree with his stance, the entire point of America is that he should be afforded the freedom to make his stance.

Perhaps Kaepernick just wants to make America great again.

A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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Old 08-30-2016, 01:43 PM   #634
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A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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Like all the players who took out the Rams for their Ferguson protest last year?

Oh wait, that's right. Nobody did a thing.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:46 PM   #635
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A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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Old 08-30-2016, 02:35 PM   #636
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There's a wonderful novel about the authoritarianism/violence of sports culture called Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. I can't recommend it enough. It's coming out as a movie soon, directed by Ang Lee.
That book was really great.

I don't really have an opinion on Kaepernick other than I don't like him, but that's more of a football thing than a protest thing. I will say that I had a bigger response to what's-his-name's opinion piece about why he doesn't support the national anthem, as I didn't know Francis Scott Key was such a racist asshole.

Honestly, had Kaepernick said "I'm not standing up because dude, have you read about the history of the song and of Francis Scott Key? Fuck that guy, that shouldn't be our anthem" instead of his actual response (which sounded so vague that it just reeked of "hmm, no one's talking about me, I think I'm gonna have to fix that"), I would have more respect for his gesture.





oops, guess I did have an opinion after all.
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here's the thing these armchair patriots always forget: there's no law stating you have to stand for the pledge or anthem. there's no law stating you have to put your right hand on your heart during either. there's also established legal precedent showing burning the flag is free speech, not a hate crime or treason or anything.

the media and these hyper-patriots need to focus on something else. first there was douglas during the olympics, now this. of course they're both black athletes. that's why the media focuses on them and doesn't report when trump doesn't put his hand on his heart either.

my point is that this is all just crap. none of it matters. so someone doesn't stand up for something that hive mentality tells us we should. so what? there's no violent call to arms, he's just protesting what he feels is wrong with society, and that's his right imo. i've probably worded this all badly but there you go.
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here's the thing these armchair patriots always forget: there's no law stating you have to stand for the pledge or anthem. there's no law stating you have to put your right hand on your heart during either. there's also established legal precedent showing burning the flag is free speech, not a hate crime or treason or anything.
This isn't news

Kaep and your 'armchair patriots' have the same standing.

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Kaep also says this:

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"I mean, you have Hillary who's called black teens or black kids super-predators.

You have Donald Trump who's openly racist.

I mean, we have a presidential candidate (Hillary) who's deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn't make sense to me, because if that was any other person, you'd be in prison.

So what is this country really standing for?"
Consider the source and move on
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The first two lines are on the money, at the very least.
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Old 08-30-2016, 09:23 PM   #641
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The first two lines are on the money, at the very least.
True Vlad, true.

The U.S. election thread shows our sorry state of affairs...
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Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

The "super predators" term really needs some context.

It's not as if she coined that phrase, or even made it mainstream. It was very much part of the conversation about crime that had just peaked during the early 1990s before plummeting during the Clinton years.

The term has been proven utterly wrong, and what's more important is that it may show that Democrats must present politically as being tough on crime (and we get things like Bill Clinton leaving the campaign trail to oversee the execution of a mentally handicapped man in Arkansas, or O'Malley giving the green light for the Baltimore PD to crack skulls), but it's not as if Hillary Clinton was somehow an outlier on this topic.
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Just because she wasn't alone doesn't make it excusable. And while putting something in its relative time is important, that doesn't mean there wasn't people who were actively disagreeing with that rhetoric at the time as well.
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It's interesting, the Kaepernick thing. Two things that sum up my opinion

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This is ridiculous. People are apoplectic about this? And yet, Ray Lewis is totally OK?

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