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Old 07-20-2016, 02:17 AM   #511
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Several good posts here by Lucky.


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Old 07-20-2016, 11:47 AM   #512
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It's usefulness does indeed show that the rate of violence is higher in African American demographics. That IS important. It's important because it shouldn't be happening. I'm a perfect world, we wouldn't have crime. In a great world, crime would be color blind and equal regardless of race. But crime data is tracked by the FBI and probably other agencies within the federal government for a reason. We don't live in a great world in this context.

I would go so far as to say your assertion is wrong that people tend to kill within their own ethnic groups. Well, depending on what you meant by it. I think that data suggests that people purely interact or live around their own ethnic groups.

But the correlation is important. We know it's not likely to be purely coincidence. Much like a college admission board, you want your admissions to match the demographics of both your state and your nation. It's just super important to establish the fact that just because two variables are correlated, does not mean one causes the other. There's no reason to suggest that being black simply makes you more likely to be violent. However, as we've all discussed, there is reason to suggest that poverty could/does influence crime. Both logically and quantitatively that can be supported. So, one rational conclusion to fight poverty in low income areas. What a surprise, those are disproportionately black!

You might think it's as simple as shrugging it off, but having numerous variables in play and observing several correlations at once are what allow us to have quantitative evidence for our claims. You could either tell someone "you're a racist for using the black on black argument" and develop a qualitative assessment of someone's choice of words, or you can quantitatively show them they're wrong with numbers. I think the latter proves a point.
I think the issue is that the majority of those who use the term aren't thinking about it analytically, as you have here.

They see "black" as being the cause. So while the phrase in and of itself is descriptive and not necessarily racist, it becomes a lazy crutch for racists and those who just want to turn a blind eye to the real issues at hand (your subconscious racists, so to speak).

Both sides of the aisle be do this. It's not something that's unique to Republicans (or racists). We're a nation of extremes, where, for lack of a better phrase, it has to black or white, even if the reality is many shades of gray.
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:04 PM   #513
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I'm still pissed that Donald Trump and the new Repubes stole the term "politically correct."
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:31 PM   #514
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:00 PM   #515
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That looks 100% wrong, sounds like that cop is unfit and that victim will get a decent settlement. Glad the man was not more seriously injured.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:06 PM   #516
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Glorified hyperbole in America.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:24 PM   #517
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if only these darn blacks would just listen to the police and do what they say, they won't get shot by the cops!



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Old 07-21-2016, 01:53 PM   #518
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glorified. hyperbole.

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During the incident, the patient had a toy truck; Kinsey says he had been worried for the patient's safety and was surprised that he himself was shot — he tells Channel 7 that he had his hands up as high as he could get them, and had obeyed an order to lie on the ground. In a segment of the encounter with police that apparently wasn't captured on video, Kinsey was shot in the leg.

"I'm like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising," Kinsey tells Channel 7. "It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I'm like, I still got my hands in the air, and I said, no, I just got shot! And I'm saying, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know.'

Black Man Says He Was Shot By North Miami Police While Lying On The Ground : The Two-Way : NPR

again: glorified. hyperbole.
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This honestly looks and reads like a parody. Except it's all too real.
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Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

Usually I like to try to wait for more details to come out before making snap judgments when these things happen (a strategy I've been less sure about lately), but, holy shit, this looks truly unbelievable. Thank God this poor man survived, but... what the hell?


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Baffling how entrenched the power structure is that the injured man still feels a need to call the officer "sir" even after being shot for no reason whatsoever. And even more sad that his life might have depended on showing that kind of deference.
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Hyperbole is the buzz word of FYM. Like Hansel 'so hot right now'


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It's okay - he apparently just meant to hit the autistic guy and missed. I feel so much better now.
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It's okay - he apparently just meant to hit the autistic guy and missed. I feel so much better now.

"Hey guys, our use of excessive force isn't racist. It sees no color."
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"Hey guys, our use of excessive force isn't racist. It sees no color."
Right?

It boggles the mind how the officer's explanation makes things better. The behavioral specialist had just spent the last 5 minutes (on his back with his hands up) clearly explaining to the police that his patient was autistic and had a toy truck, and was not a threat, so the police respond by... taking a shot at the autistic guy with the toy truck?!?
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