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Old 07-08-2016, 08:09 AM   #331
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While I clearly have issues with Iron Horse's overall feelings on the issue of race, I don't disagree that government leaders should not make specific statements around the cause and effect of an open case before it's come to trial and before all of the facts have been brought to light.

Much like it's irresponsible for Trump to inflame his base by blaming everything on Islam before the facts come out, even in cases where it seems obvious like in the Egypt air situation, it's irresponsible for the governor of Minnesota to make the same sort of blanket, specific statements relating to this incident and race, even though it may seem obvious.

I get and feel his emotion, but his statemenrs should have ended at "we will pursue justice in this case, it will be fair and unbiased to all parties, and nobody will recieve special treatment due to their position nor recieve lesser treatment due to the color of their skin."

And then actually fight for what he believes in.


I have no issues with what Obama said whatsoever, and don't know how anyone could unless they are so biased against him that it's just second nature to dislike what he says. He was very measured and relayed what we were all thinking without being overly emotional.
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Old 07-08-2016, 08:15 AM   #332
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Here's another one:

ST. PAUL, Minn. (Reuters) - Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton said that he did not believe the black man shot dead by police on Wednesday during a routine traffic stop would have been treated that way if he had been white.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/minnesota-...204011041.html


This continuing trend to rush to judgment is frightening enough coming from a mob but here is an elected official joining them.


Facebook comment by Allen West this morning:

"Once again, President Obama shifts the narrative to achieve his ideological agenda. When terrorists kill in San Bernardino, it's the gun. When terrorists kill in Orlando, it's the gun. When domestic terrorists kill cops in Dallas, it's the gun. But yesterday he had no trouble condemning the police in relation to incidents in Louisiana and Minnesota. The pattern began when he said the police acted "stupidly" back in Cambridge, Mass (regarding Henry Louis Gates) and he fanned those flames again in Ferguson. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and the radical progressive left have created the atmosphere that blew up in Dallas last night."

Rush to judgment, or comment on the frightening trend of statistics? Was he too soon? Possibly. Was he wrong? Reality tells us no.

Once again; white man hand on gun - hesitation and restraint, black man reaching - no hesitation no restraint. This pattern shows people that certain people are valued differently.


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Allen West. Cause that guy's all about bringing people together. Not a divisive bone in his body, Allen West.
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While I clearly have issues with Iron Horse's overall feelings on the issue of race, I don't disagree that government leaders should not make specific statements around the cause and effect of an open case before it's come to trial and before all of the facts have been brought to light.
This won't work, they rarely ever go to trial.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/op...=tw-share&_r=0

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You say that black folks kill each other every day without a mumbling word while we thunderously protest a few cops, usually but not always white, who shoot to death black people who you deem to be mostly “thugs.”

That such an accusation is nonsense is nearly beside the point. Black people protest, to one another, to a world that largely refuses to listen, that what goes on in black communities across this nation is horrid, as it would be in any neighborhood depleted of dollars and hope — emptied of good schools, and deprived of social and economic buffers against brutality. People usually murder where they nest; they aim their rage at easy targets.

It is not best understood as black-on-black crime; rather, it is neighbor-to-neighbor carnage. If their neighbors were white, they’d get no exemption from the crime that plagues human beings who happen to be black. If you want interracial killing, you have to have interracial communities.

We all can see the same videos. But you insist that the camera doesn’t tell the whole story. Of course you’re right, but you don’t really want to see or hear that story.
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If you can't see or understand how Obama has used the issue of race the past years, I don't know what to say.


can you please, please explain this. i am perplexed. i don't understand where this is coming from. i've seen people post a link from Dick Morris where he accuses Obama of "dividing us" as a people and that these officer shootings are the "fruits of Obama's race-baiting politics."

i just don't see it. it seems like glorified hyperbole.

can you explain?
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Go away, bigot.
Seriously, I'm all for confronting ideas, but bigotry should not be an accepted standard. It really makes you think why said user has not been banned yet.
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This won't work, they rarely ever go to trial.
this is true. sworn to uphold the law but rarely ever held to the same standard. then they dare to wonder why minorities, women, and teens (basically anyone other than upper and middle class white men) maybe feel uneasy or distrustful of them when having to deal with them.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rying-a-rifle/

Why would the Police tweet this photo with absolutely no intelligence linking him to the shooting? There's been no apology and as of this morning his picture is still there.

The white men that protested Obama in Austin with rifles strapped to their backs were considered "patriots".

The black man that protests with open carry is considered a suspect and has his face plastered across the internet without a shred of evidence. Where is the outrage of no due process and rush to judgement? This rush to judgement could have cost him his life. Where's the outrage?

I guess ALL lives don't matter.
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conflating these two incidents shows bias,
as I viewed the FB feed, all I could conclude is that it is 100% terrible, pulled over for a broker tail light, the man is dead, 100% wrong

with more time and information, it could be less wrong, but I doubt it, I hope the cop had a body camera, that would be a more, complete picture.


The LA incident, is different, the police responded to a 911 call that a man was brandishing a gun, they had to investigate, members of the public are supposed to follow police commands.
Yes, the video looks terrible, he should have allowed them to do their job, if he did brandish the gun, should he have been arrested or let go?
my judgement on this one is that it is terrible the man is dead, I won't make a leap to judgement on the police actions yet.
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social justice warriors, where is your outrage?


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social justice warriors, where is your outrage?





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Taunting like this is pretty much the lowest form of discussion possible. Because one bad thing got less attention than another bad thing, the people upset about the first bad thing are suddenly dismissable.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rying-a-rifle/

Why would the Police tweet this photo with absolutely no intelligence linking him to the shooting? There's been no apology and as of this morning his picture is still there.

The white men that protested Obama in Austin with rifles strapped to their backs were considered "patriots".

The black man that protests with open carry is considered a suspect and has his face plastered across the internet without a shred of evidence. Where is the outrage of no due process and rush to judgement? This rush to judgement could have cost him his life. Where's the outrage?

I guess ALL lives don't matter.

I will make an attempt here,
can you not see the difference that last night there was a HUGE STATE OF PANIC that someone had an assault rifle and was killing a bunch of people???

so a man (even a WHITE man) walking around in camo with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder would and should be detained, and also should probably not walk around like that ever if it is perfectly legal, probable not a good idea to go the Batman premier that way either, or to a grade school, even it is legal in your fucked up state.
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Taunting like this is pretty much the lowest form of discussion possible. Because one bad thing got less attention than another bad thing, the people upset about the first bad thing are suddenly dismissable.


you can't be better than this?
did you not see what I wrote about the MN incident vs the LA incident?
you do realize that 19 year old kid had no gun and there was no report of a man brandishing a weapon?

and I was first and loudest with BLACK LIVES MATTER (look at the Trayvon Martin thread} before it became an empty slogan for some jack asses

I took a lot of shit when I started that thread and called it murder, and said Trayvon was only dead because he was black.

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