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Old 07-07-2016, 01:16 PM   #316
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both of these videos are incredibly disturbing.

at the risk of sounding like i'm blaming the victim -- i'm not, at all -- but i do wonder if our heavily armed population makes our cops a bit more trigger happy and jumpy than they would be if firearms weren't so widely available.
I listened to an interview on our public radio with a law enforcement consultant (whatever that is) and he was talking about this exact point. He works across North America and he said it's a big difference between Canada and the US and also a big difference between US states which have disparate gun control laws or varying levels of gun ownership per capita. Anyway, his point was that police essentially expect members of the public to be armed in certain areas and that informs their behaviour. Seems pretty obvious to me that would be the case.
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Old 07-07-2016, 01:49 PM   #317
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don't forget guys that this is all just glorified hyperbole. racism ended in the 60s and now we just don't see it anymore.
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Clearly yes.

It's why I'm always so baffled why there are so many officers who support the NRA. The two things don't go hand in hand. You would think the majority would want as many guns off the street as possible.

It's also another sign of our institutional racism in this country. Everyone comes out crying for gun control after mass shootings, but you don't see the same level of outrage at the daily killings in poor black neighborhoods.

It's time to get the god damn guns off of the god damn streets. Everywhere. No good comes from it.
Exactly.

And the racism thing...Larry Wilmore made a similar point on his show last night. All the people who cry, "But ALL lives matter!" in response to the "Black Lives Matter" movement, they sure seem eerily silent right now. They aren't forming any "All Lives Matter" protests in the streets or raising awareness on social media or whatever. If they truly think all lives matter, why aren't they out protesting this?

I'm so glad others are pointing out the hypocrisy of the "open carry" laws, too, when it comes to white people versus black people. Yeah, apparently the "Second Amendment rights!" argument doesn't apply to black people.

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When there's a mass shooting, we hear people say "if only they were carrying".

But when an officer shoots a civilian we hear people say "well he shouldn't be carrying".

When a man is shot by an officer we get a full list of his previous record.

When a college student rapes an unconscious woman, we hear about his past accomplishments.

Again .

Continuing on with your last point, I saw someone point out one time how people's opinion of someone being drunk varies in rape situations, too. If a man assaults a woman when he's drunk, it's excused and brushed away. "He's normally not like that, his judgment was impaired."

But if a woman's raped when she's drunk, "Well, she shouldn't have had so much to drink, it's her fault."

Gotta love those double standards.
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Rape and domestic abuse aren't "major" crimes?
When did I say they weren't?
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Old 07-07-2016, 03:49 PM   #320
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I'm in agreement about the cops being extra trigger happy because guns are so rampant. I know for a fact that when cops are called into the Bayview area of San Francisco (there's certain blocks where the murders just pile up over the course of a year), that they wait a few minutes before rushing in there. Obviously, you have a better chance catching the murderer the quicker you arrive at the scene, but of course that would mean running into said murderer who possesses a gun and clearly isn't afraid to use it.
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This was taken last year at a Confederate KKK rally.


If you're white and have your hand on gun, they try and talk you down. If you're black and reach for your wallet, you're dead.

Let's stop pretending this is just fucking hyperbole.
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This was taken last year at a Confederate KKK rally.


If you're white and have your hand on gun, they try and talk you down. If you're black and reach for your wallet, you're dead.

Let's stop pretending this is just fucking hyperbole.

I'm not pretending its exaggeration, I can see it.

Just that like before, people are again rushing to judgment before the facts are known. People see a video clip and decide the officers are guilty because the officer is white and the victim black.

Obama not wasting a second to continue dividing and creating turmoil rushes to his mic to chime in.
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I'm not pretending its exaggeration, I can see it.

Just that like before, people are again rushing to judgment before the facts are known. People see a video clip and decide the officers are guilty because the officer is white and the victim black.

Obama not wasting a second to continue dividing and creating turmoil rushes to his mic to chime in.
The officer in Minnesota is not Caucasian.
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I'm not pretending its exaggeration, I can see it.

Just that like before, people are again rushing to judgment before the facts are known. People see a video clip and decide the officers are guilty because the officer is white and the victim black.
Surely you're joking?

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Obama not wasting a second to continue dividing and creating turmoil rushes to his mic to chime in.
Ah yes, you are joking
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I'm not pretending its exaggeration, I can see it.







Obama not wasting a second to continue dividing and creating turmoil rushes to his mic to chime in.

Are you sure? Because you said, "I just don't see it" and it's all "exaggeration" in your last post in here. But now you see it? Now it's not exaggeration? So your thread title is incorrect? I'm glad you've finally admitted this.

How did Obama divide?


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Yeah, Obama was calm and patient as always.

I just don't see it.
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Are you sure? Because you said, "I just don't see it" and it's all "exaggeration" in your last post in here. But now you see it? Now it's not exaggeration? So your thread title is incorrect? I'm glad you've finally admitted this.

How did Obama divide?


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No, the thread title is correct: racism is exaggerated in the U.S.
In these recent officer shootings it is almost automatically assumed the victim was shot because of race.


If you can't see or understand how Obama has used the issue of race the past years, I don't know what to say.

Here is what he said yesterday:

TRANSCRIPT: Obama comments on police involved shootings | TheHill
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No, the thread title is correct: racism is exaggerated in the U.S.

In these recent officer shootings it is almost automatically assumed the victim was shot because of race.
No one is assuming the victim was shot because of race, you are not understanding the issue if you think that is what anyone is saying. The issue is that because of the color of your skin you will be treated differently, the assumptions will be different, the prism of threat is entirely different. If you can't see that then you are choosing to be blind. Not colorblind, but willfully blind.





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If you can't see or understand how Obama his used the issue of race the past years, I don't know what to say.



USED the issue of race? This alone shows you just don't understand. Tell me one thing that was incorrect or "dividing" about what he said.


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No one is assuming the victim was shot because of race, you are not understanding the issue if you think that is what anyone is saying. The issue is that because of the color of your skin you will be treated differently, the assumptions will be different, the prism of threat is entirely different. If you can't see that then you are choosing to be blind. Not colorblind, but willfully blind.








USED the issue of race? This alone shows you just don't understand. Tell me one thing that was incorrect or "dividing" about what he said.


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Here's another one:

ST. PAUL, Minn. (Reuters) - Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton said that he did not believe the black man shot dead by police on Wednesday during a routine traffic stop would have been treated that way if he had been white.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/minnesota-...204011041.html


This continuing trend to rush to judgment is frightening enough coming from a mob but here is an elected official joining them.


Facebook comment by Allen West this morning:

"Once again, President Obama shifts the narrative to achieve his ideological agenda. When terrorists kill in San Bernardino, it's the gun. When terrorists kill in Orlando, it's the gun. When domestic terrorists kill cops in Dallas, it's the gun. But yesterday he had no trouble condemning the police in relation to incidents in Louisiana and Minnesota. The pattern began when he said the police acted "stupidly" back in Cambridge, Mass (regarding Henry Louis Gates) and he fanned those flames again in Ferguson. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and the radical progressive left have created the atmosphere that blew up in Dallas last night."
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Go away, bigot.
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