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Old 06-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #196
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Being a sinner is being inherently "not good". No stretch required
Ah no, not quite. "Goodness," while referenced a number of times in the New Testament, is an irrelevant construct in Christianity. Practically speaking, people aren't judged by whether or not they're good, they're judged by the belief system they accept and endorse. There are numerous figures in the Bible that Christians are meant to respect that by no stretch are "better" people than some atheists I've known. While you can find scriptures that state that all goodness comes from God, I don't think it's asserted that only Christians can be good people. Certainly, there were moral, upright people hanging around long before the Christian church came to be.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #197
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Being a sinner is being inherently "not good". No stretch required
No it doesn't.

Being a sinner is being inherently not perfect.

One can have lied and still be good.

You're making stretches again in order to force your narrow definitions into your small box.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #198
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Well you were the one that brought up subjectivity, as if I exist in some sort of state of moral chaos. My reply was a direct response to that, so don't get your panties in a twist.
Oh, I didn't. You're the one who referred to religious people as following an "arcane" set of rules (even if you were referencing another post), and extolling atheists for having no such need. I just felt the need to twist your nose about it a little bit.
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:05 PM   #199
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You're making stretches again in order to force your narrow definitions into your small box.
hahahahaha

When you actually start hanging around conversations long enough to make a point, I'll start respecting the things you say
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:06 PM   #200
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I just felt the need to twist your nose about it a little bit.
Well if that's what it was about, then I can certainly take a little ribbing

For the record, I don't think religious people need those arcane teachings either. I wasn't just puffing up atheists
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:10 PM   #201
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Practically speaking, people aren't judged by whether or not they're good, they're judged by the belief system they accept and endorse.
this doesn't seem backward to you?
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Practically speaking, people aren't judged by whether or not they're good, they're judged by the belief system they accept and endorse.
According to whom?

It's not what the majority of the world's Christians (i.e. Catholics) believe.
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this doesn't seem backward to you?
That is one of the largest reasons why I am an agnostic. I just really could not buy into that viewpoint at all. There are religions that don't hold that to be the case (anytime karma comes into play, really), but I've never really gone far enough down that path to know if it's for me or not.
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hahahahaha

When you actually start hanging around conversations long enough to make a point, I'll start respecting the things you say
And I would respect your conversations about religion if you weren't always getting the most basic aspects completely wrong.
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this doesn't seem backward to you?
I put it rather simplistically; there are traditional Christian ideals (fruits of the Spirit) that a Christian should develop in time, but reaching some arbitrarily chosen human ideal isn't an end unto itself.

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According to whom?
The Epistles

Sometimes I forget that Catholics and Protestants actually read a similar book.
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And I would respect your conversations about religion if you weren't always getting the most basic aspects completely wrong.
I couldn't care less, bud. You're a joke
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I couldn't care less, bud.
Then why are we talking about this
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I put it rather simplistically; there are traditional Christian ideals (fruits of the Spirit) that a Christian should develop, but reaching some arbitrarily chosen human ideal isn't an end unto itself.
Contributing to the happiness and well being of others should be the only end. All the rest seems tacked on in order to make you believe you need something that you really don't.
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Then why are we talking about this
I couldn't care less about BVS' "respect". Instead of actually keeping up with an argument, he goes into hiding, then throws around little comments when nothing of substance is being discussed. Worst poster on the site.... second worst
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I couldn't care less, bud.
I realize that. It doesn't matter to me either way if you want my respect or not, I'm just trying to point out to you that your arrogance is really unwarranted in these types of discussions. You just lack the knowledge. What iron horse is to a science thread you are to a thread on religion.

What you call hiding, I call having little to no time.
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