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Old 11-22-2008, 12:02 PM   #496
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And your (lack of) logical reasoning doesn't create reasonable discussion on the issue.
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:32 PM   #497
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i prefer legislation to discussion.

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Old 11-22-2008, 12:38 PM   #498
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out then, unless of course legislation is now possible in this forum......
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:39 PM   #499
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Legislating bigotry doesn't not make you a bigot....
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:42 PM   #500
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Can they celebrate their cplhood by making it publicly official?

Yes.

The same way married people can?

Yes, it's called a Gay or Civil Union.
No. By your definition, how is calling a civil union the same as marriage, particularly when civil unions are not recognized at the national level the same way marriage is?




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2) Your statement about "pure democracy" is nonsense. An advanced democracy, in contrast to a "banana republic," is to protect the "inalienable rights" of the minority from the majority. Hence, diamond, we have the Constitution that would prevent the majority from banning Mormons as a heretical movement, even if a majority of them hated Mormons and wished for them to go away. All the more ironic that you wish for homosexuals to be subject to populist whims, particularly since you belong to a particularly hated minority in America.
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No. By your definition, how is calling a civil union the same as marriage, particularly when civil unions are not recognized at the national level the same way marriage is?






sounds like you and the movement have to define gay civil unions and their rights on national and state levels.

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Old 11-22-2008, 12:52 PM   #503
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sounds like you and the movement have to define gay civil unions and their rights on national and state levels.

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Perfect. You avoided directly answering my question. Just what I expected.
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i also find it funny how the left is ready to chuck the electoral college invoking pure democracy reasons but when pure democracy works against them they equate the citizens as a people from a "bannana republic".

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Just because I believe that civil rights shouldn't be voted away doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite. That's the point of the civil rights: to have certain things that cannot be voted away.

Proposition 8 was tyranny of the majority, something founding fathers wanted to avoid.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:02 PM   #506
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i also find it funny how the left is ready to chuck the electoral college invoking pure democracy reasons but when pure democracy works against them they equate the citizens as a people from a "bannana republic".

read you.

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What the fuck are you even talking about? Can I suggest a book of logic? Because these non sequitors do not help your case one bit.

An advanced democracy does not subject minority civil rights to the tyranny of the majority. Period. Issues with the electoral college or lack thereof have crap to do with minority rights.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:04 PM   #507
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now, now name calling never crafted legislation.

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What name calling?
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As I said, legislating bigotry doesn't not make you a bigot, the finding of the typo, the comments on mis-spellings and being a grammar nazi is an internet forum crutch for those have no reasonable argument left.
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Old 11-22-2008, 04:58 PM   #509
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Sometimes it's a waste of one's time debating certain topics with certain people...everyone knows nothing mutually illuminating will come of it, and all that results is fraying tempers and snarky jibes. Why bother? Even on the internet, you can still pick and choose your battles. Might as well go for those that at least have potential to go somewhere--if not towards agreement or compromise, then at least towards a helpful insight into how someone else thinks. Anything less than that gets pretty old pretty quickly.
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Honestly this thread is a perfect example of what I meant when I was having that discussion about Sean about how it's simply not worth and not possible to change some people's minds. They are flat out bigots and discussion will NOT result in anything illuminating.
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