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Old 11-17-2008, 05:40 PM   #436
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i wish someone would just come out and say it. it would make things a whole lot easier.

and the subtext of the whole thing is so offensive. i.e., "if gays can get married then they'll ruin the whole thing."
"Gay sex is gross and icky."

That's what I attribute most of this to.
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Old 11-17-2008, 05:44 PM   #437
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you wouldn't *believe* what the evangelicals say about you behind your back.
sure i would.


you notice though the LDS Faith doesn't reciprocate the ill feelings from those that despise them.

that should be your first clue as to where their hearts are at.

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Old 11-17-2008, 05:45 PM   #438
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Sex in general is gross and icky if you really get down to it. It's the emotional aspect of it that makes it wonderful - that and the finish, but we won't go there...that's for another thread
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The ickier the better.....

I like to finish with a reverse one and a half somersaults with three and a half twists, in the free position.
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I'm not sure whether to applaud you for that, or feel sorry for your wife!
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For what it's worth, it was just announced a few minutes ago on CNN that 100 Generals have met, and decided that Don't Ask, Don't Tell needs to be done away with. Baby steps, right?
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in whose military?



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You know, that comment might be cute or funny if this weren't an incredibly hurtful issue for many people. Try empathy.
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:47 PM   #444
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you notice though the LDS Faith doesn't reciprocate the ill feelings from those that despise them.
Right. It just takes it out on gay people.

I have yet to attack the LDS church at all for this, but you can't wash your faith's hands of this matter, either. Other faiths may be against gay marriage, but no one pushed for it like the LDS church.

It's shameful bigotry.
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Maybe the one that kicks out translators for where they put their privates, that type of discrimination costs lives.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:54 PM   #446
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sure i would.


you notice though the LDS Faith doesn't reciprocate the ill feelings from those that despise them.

that should be your first clue as to where their hearts are at.

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It tells us where their ambition to be a political force for institutionalized bigotry is

it tells us where their ambition for Mitts is

Can't achieve the above by telling your "friends" they are out to lunch, no matter how much they think it of you
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:39 AM   #447
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This seems like some frightening ideas
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Several early Church leaders, most notably Brigham Young, taught that in a complete theocracy the Lord could require the voluntary shedding of a murderer's blood-presumably by capital punishment-as part of the process of Atonement for such grievous sin. This was referred to as "blood Atonement." Since such a theocracy has not been operative in modern times, the practical effect of the idea was its use as a rhetorical device to heighten the awareness of Latter-day Saints of the seriousness of murder and other major sins. This view is not a doctrine of the Church and has never been practiced by the Church at any time.
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The repudiation built on the idea that it should only be practiced in a theocracy is a mirror of Hizb ut Tahrir declaring that homosexuals and apostates should only be killed when true Islam dominates a society.
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What did you think of the Richard Thompson Ford article I posted? Granted, it's not really raising anything that hasn't been touched on in here before (I was reminded of your familiar comment that "homophobia is basically sexism in drag" as I read parts of it), but my sense is that at least when it comes to grassroots campaigning, he may be right that starting from a recognition of the gender-role anxiety many people who have traditionalist leanings, but aren't necessarily ideological homophobes (nor ideological sexists), feel towards the idea of gay marriage might be the best way to identify a target audience--people whose minds can actually be changed--and a strategy that might work with them.


i think this makes sense for certain besieged communities who are certainly low hanging fruit for precisely the type of campaign that was run, but it doesn't explain perfectly affluent, intelligent, educated masses of people.

most Mormons don't strike me as particularly besieged, unless we view their status as a near-cult in the eyes of evangelicals as part of being oppressed.
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sure i would.


you notice though the LDS Faith doesn't reciprocate the ill feelings from those that despise them.

that should be your first clue as to where their hearts are at.

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is that why good old Mittens gave that speech back in, what was it, February, where he begged for the Republican evangelical base to take his faith seriously?
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Maybe the one that kicks out translators for where they put their privates, that type of discrimination costs lives.


this time, you did successfully read my mind
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