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Old 11-15-2008, 08:39 AM   #286
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So, even though my state's Constitution has an equal protection clause, gay couples shouldn't expect equal protection under the law in my state? The laws don't apply to them equally?

You didn't answer my questions.
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You didn't answer my questions.
sure i did-there's work for same sex domestic partners to do legally, get bills passed.

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Old 11-15-2008, 08:56 AM   #289
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Simple question: how would you feel if you had been denied the right to marry your wife, the woman you love? Can you just imagine that for a moment? Have you ever tried? Why wasn't a civil union enough for you?
It's already happened, let me explain.

In my faith, we marry for eternity. She is not of my faith, so I had a decision to make: we both understood we could only be married for time.

I could have ended our relationship, or married her for "until death due us part" like other Orthodox Christian faiths do.

In our faith we can choose between the two.

That's what we did we married for time-by a Mormon Bishop.

She holds no animosity to Mormons because we weren't married the traditional Mormon way (for eternity) nor does she think that Mormons are bigoted- like many mean spirited posters have suggested here.

She's made good LDS friends that don't try to prosletyze her and accept her for who she is. We are not looked down by not having an Eternal Marriage.

She's different from me, beautiful and I love her for it.

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Old 11-15-2008, 09:19 AM   #290
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It's already happened, let me explain.

In my faith, we marry for eternity. She is not of my faith, so I had a decision to make: we both understood we could only be married for time.

I could have ended our relationship, or married her for "until death due us part" like other Orthodox Christian faiths do.

In our faith we can choose between the two.

That's what we did we married for time-by a Mormon Bishop.

She holds no animosity to Mormons because we weren't married the traditional Mormon way (for eternity) nor does she think that Mormons are bigoted- like many mean spirited posters have suggested here.

She's made good LDS friends that don't try to prosletyze her and accept her for who she is. We are not looked down by not having an Eternal Marriage.

She's different from me, beautiful and I love her for it.

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No, there was never any attempt by the STATE to deny you and your wife the right to marry. What your church allows or disallows has absolutely no bearing.
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but she didn't make demands to be married the traditional mormon way like gays are trying to do to those not of their mindset.

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Old 11-15-2008, 09:33 AM   #292
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Many people assume Dolphins are fish.
Dolphins are mammals.

I see the Gay Marriage argument the same way.

Gays are uniquely different from Straights.

In some ways Dolphins are superior to fish. However Dolphins still arent fish, they don't lay eggs- they are warm blooded mammals.

The same goes w Gay relationships-(they are different), in some ways much more unique, however that doesn't entitle them to call their unions "marriages" the same way a Dolphin is not called a fish.

Different, but not the same.

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...and please don't refer to this as the gay dolphin conspiracy..
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You didn't answer my questions.
Mine either.
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Mine either.
yes, i did-but not in the way you had hoped.

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yes, i did-but not in the way you had hoped.

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You seem to have no ability to empathize. Your situation bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we're talking about.

I'll ask again. Why wasn't a civil union good enough for you and Sally?
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because by definition of gender we are slated to be in a marriage.

however if i were a girl and sally wanted to be w me in a monogamous relationship, i would be ok w a civil union.

i would then work to get the same benifits that married straights have on a federal level (legally)-if that was my motivation to be w her.

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How so?

Can they still own a home together?
Is that right *now* being yanked from them?
Can they still have medical insurance together? Is that right *now* being yanked from them?
Can they still own a car together?
Can they bequeath their estate to their marital companion(s)? Is that right being yanked from them?
Can they still visit sick spouses in hospitals? Is that now being yanked from them?
If they adopted kids, are the kids being *now* yanked from them?
Have any kids been yanked from them?

Because Prop 8 passed are all of these things now null and void?

Of course the answer is no to all of the above questions.

At the very most, certificates will be changed on what type of matrimonal relationship or civil union they entered into designating what the realtionships actually are: every other legal aspect should and will remain in tact.

If anything changes are made other than that: let me know.

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So the LDS bankrolled bigotry, again, to protect "nothing" ???
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I absolutely think the LDS Church is behaving in bigoted ways here and they also have a long history of prejudice and bigotry that most people are aware of.

Don't think I'm picking on you; I don't practice Catholicism either because I think the Church is no better and I wish not to contribute a penny to what I believe is a bigoted organization.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:47 AM   #300
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Amazing that people still think government by referendum is a good idea.

If that were the case we'd probably STILL have no voting tights for blacks in Alabama, any attempt to change that constitutionally and the whites would just be complaining about "activist judges".

Rationalize all you want diamond, you're just a bigot through and through.
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