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Old 11-20-2011, 12:32 PM   #466
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Not gonna happen, they won't even get close. The only mass Tea Party arrests (6 or 7 !!) I'm aware of were when some overzealous TPers tried to have a chat with Barney Frank in the Capital building.
What do you mean? Not sure what you are referring to??
I have been following the movement and yes, there is a planned occupation of the Capitol and the numbers will be huge. Groups from all over the world are merging as we speak to join the peaceful march in DC.

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Wisconsin Recall Elections: Record $44 Million Spent By Campaigns, Outside Groups

"We Are Wisconsin, a political action committee composed of national and Wisconsin unions, spent the most on the recalls at $10.75 million."

So my question would be does that include the money of union "teachers, firefighters and laborers"?
That's my point. OWS has to abide by the system and how it works AT FIRST including raising money to get the ball rolling legislatively and then change the laws that make corruption easy. Yes, that is a simplistic way of viewing it and in truth this is going to be the most difficult bridge to cross. There are many voices within the group and they are trying to stay single-minded and on course and that in of itself is a monumental challenge.

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Debt anyone? Jobs? Getting the economy moving again. Iran. Energy.
Anyway, wasn't someone from Wisconsin involved with the last campaign finance reform?
Our country would not have the debt we have now if it weren't for the corporate LOBBY that propells this nation's war money making machine. They grease the palms of Congress on both sides of the aisle, to make sure we engage in some kind of warfare be it covertly or overtly. It good for business you know.

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Which would then make them the establishment if my math is correct.
I agree here that the system needs to be reformed, not undermined.
Ooops, too late for that.
Again, that is my point. They have join the system AT FIRST to change the system. Capeche?
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:10 PM   #467
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Well, it's nice that they're just pepper spraying American students these days instead of shooting at them.



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Old 11-20-2011, 04:23 PM   #468
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a taser or two would get their attention.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:46 PM   #469
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This business of pepper-spraying nonviolent protesters for practicing passive resistance turns my stomach. The standard justification is that it's "just a compliance tool" and easier than lifting and dragging the protesters. But they still wind up dragging them away anyway, only difference is now they're blinded and in severe pain. Cowardly, sadistic and pathetic.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:49 PM   #470
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Reasoned response, my arse.

It's always interesting to note that they keep creating new legislation to restrict or reduce the avenues for protest, but they never seek to increase them. They are seeking to create new laws over here to prevent anything like occupy occurring during the Olympics in London, I doubt any of it will remain temporary measures.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:11 PM   #471
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Well, it's nice that they're just pepper spraying American students these days instead of shooting at them.



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That crowd should have tore that pig limb from limb.

Here is a video of what happened. UC Davis Police Pepper-Spray Seated Students In Occupy Dispute (VIDEO) (UPDATES)

Anon already outed this guy Anonymous • D0X: UC Davis Pepper Spraying officer, Lt. John Pike

He makes 110k a year



Riot police have no place on a college campus during a peaceful protest. This isn't fucking China.
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Old 11-20-2011, 05:29 PM   #472
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What do you mean? Not sure what you are referring to??
I have been following the movement and yes, there is a planned occupation of the Capitol and the numbers will be huge. Groups from all over the world are merging as we speak to join the peaceful march in DC.
Protesters in Wisconsin were in the actual capital building. That won't be happening in D.C. is my only point.

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Our country would not have the debt we have now if it weren't for the corporate LOBBY that propells this nation's war money making machine. They grease the palms of Congress on both sides of the aisle, to make sure we engage in some kind of warfare be it covertly or overtly. It good for business you know.
First point is Afghanistan was the "good" war and there was wide consensus on going into there. But the cost of the Iraq war (not counting future VA costs for veterans) is roughly equal to President Obama's $850 trillion stimulus.
Secondly, the drivers of the debt are not military expenditures but entitlements. Rising health care costs and retiring Baby Boomers give us an unfunded liability of $75 trillion on top of our $15 trillion dollar debt.



And using the CBO's 2010 long-term outlook by 2020 we will spend more on debt service (15-20%) than national defense (14-16%).Unfunded wars aren't helping but they aren't what's bankrupting the country.
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That crowd should have tore that pig limb from limb.
No, they responded admirably and exactly as they should have.
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That crowd should have tore that pig limb from limb.
Thanks for the Abbie Hoffmanesque commentary. Recreate 68 !!
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Oh, we're back to calling police pigs now. Great. Awesome. How mature we are. Good thing we got a nice goofy picture in there too. Fun times, guys.
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So you are saying that President Obama's stimulus package which saved us from going under to another depression is mostly why we are in debt? Ofcourse it added to the debt, but according to most expert accounts like Paul Krugman, the economic Pulitzer Prize winner, he is saying that it wasn't enough to really stave off a second double dip recession. It should have been more.

Why is it always about "entitlements"? What about taxing the rich? Why is it always about cutting benefits to the elderly and poor in this nation and not the true self-entitled UBER wealthy who paid to change the laws to their benefit including tax breaks?
Back in the 50's the rich were taxed at over 90% and didn't seem to mind and the middle class was prosperous and comfortable. Oh and only one person had to work. But I guess nowadays it's all perspective. Keeping up the the Real Housewives of Bev Hills is a bitch isn't it?

I am just tired of the constant "cut" mantra on the right, when they aren't in the least bit serious about sacrificing ie, taxing the rich.

I am so sick of this argument.
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Oh, we're back to calling police pigs now. Great. Awesome. How mature we are. Good thing we got a nice goofy picture in there too. Fun times, guys.
Back to? We've never stopped.

Pepper spraying those kids was uncalled for. They weren't violent nor were they a threat to anyone's life or property.

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More like 76.
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I don't think that's an appropriate use of pepper spray. I think the officers have been placed on leave, suspended-whatever they want to call it.
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Oh, we're back to calling police pigs now. Great. Awesome. How mature we are. Good thing we got a nice goofy picture in there too. Fun times, guys.
That is what they are behaving like, at the very least.
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There is not the chance in hell that they would allow an occupation of the actual capitol building. Stick with the Mall.
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