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Old 10-09-2011, 09:59 PM   #31
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Why do I care about 1989? I even used the word "anymore." We're talking about today's economy. Let's have a little bit more relevant information here.

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Old 10-10-2011, 02:57 PM   #32
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The reality is that both the Tea Party and this Occupy Wall Street movement were both 'grassroots' from the beginning. And then the corporate Republican fat-cats got the wheels in motion and 'appropriated' the Tea Party and they have been an arm of the Republican Party ever since. And now the same will happen with the Wall Street thing.

This happens because of the two party corporate monopoly.
There can't be a real viable 'outsiders' choice, a third rail, etc.
And it is so easily done precisely because of two things:
1) All the real power is in so few hands, and those hands want Coke vs Pepsi as the status quo. Simple strategy. It's easier to beat one opponent than several.
2) The discourse - as evidenced in this thread -always takes a Coke vs Pepsi route. Even among people that are aware of it...they can't help but do it.

It's actually very uncomplicated.

A viable outside movement can't even be seen as non-partisan.
Because the tools of opposition will always effectively be able to sell that outside movement as simply being supported by the other side. Just like how many of you that still believe the Tea Party was always a Republican ploy. You're part of the problem.

And THAT more than anything else is why we are truly fucked. Even the people that are active and engage with issues and are wise to the corporate machinations are still easily sucked in by sheer partisan politics.
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Old 10-10-2011, 03:49 PM   #33
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It may be time to really overhaul our system. Little by little, the American Republic is dying. It's being torn apart by brutal partisan fighting - there's no mutual respect and disagreement just hate filled rants, corporations that want to gut the economy to increase their bottom line, the 1 %ers, and a legislative body that is comprised of people so far removed from the average American they might as well be representing Mars. To top it off we have a population that thinks meaningless sports statistics and reality show stars are more important then knowing the policies of the people who are guiding this country toward the edge of a cliff.

- We need proportional representation in this country...smaller parties will have a fighting chance.

- Make it a criminal offense to offshore jobs. You want to send American workers overseas and weaken the economy and country? Go a head, but the US Gov't can now seize your assets.

- Party over country is treason. Want to hold the economy hostage? Pay the price. You think debt is a serious problem? Address the root cause: Out of control spending and 3 decades of shitty financial policy- the 1%ers have to pay their fair share.
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:05 PM   #34
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The reality is that both the Tea Party and this Occupy Wall Street movement were both 'grassroots' from the beginning. And then the corporate Republican fat-cats got the wheels in motion and 'appropriated' the Tea Party and they have been an arm of the Republican Party ever since. And now the same will happen with the Wall Street thing.
Inclined to agree, though it does seem undeniable that the Tea Party was overwhelmingly dominated by lifelong Republicans from its inception, while Occupy Wall Street seems likewise dominated by lifelong Democrats (for what "lifelong" is worth when most of them are so young). If OWS does continue to grow and evolve, personally I'd love to see it take the form of a nonpartisan citizens' movement to end corporate lobbyist control over Washington via a constitutional amendment, but I acknowledge that's not likely given the hyperpartisan backdrop. More likely it'll fizzle out, or perhaps become a fully co-opted appendage of the Democratic party with its own Congressional caucuses, PACs and whatnot, like the Tea Party now has.

But I don't think the ordinary American, the average liberal or conservative, requires all that much 'brainwashing' from MoveOn or Koch Industries or whomever to dismiss grassroots movements before they even get anywhere. They're already programmed to see the caricatures (bitter old racist rednecks; clueless hippie pothead riffraff) and when the cameras inevitably note the presence of some colorful examplars of that type, that's all they really need to dismiss it; any subsequently learned 'facts' are just ammo.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:04 PM   #35
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The US needs to get rid of the revolving door between the private sector and business. You basically run for Congress to set yourself up for a lush lobbying or consulting gig after your term is done.
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Ha, Good point But in my defense it took all of three minutes to lookup.
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Ha, Good point But in my defense it took all of three minutes to lookup.

you know who to thank for having the free time to do so.

how was your minimum 2-weeks vacation this year?
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:59 AM   #40
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4 weeks over here in the UK, but then we do live in the great communist state of Europe.
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Throw in a "likes black people" circle intersecting with the wall street protesters and it would be accurate
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Partly, but wild income inequality certainly has to be part of it. More and more money flows to the top and how of the middle class (the poor don't have any to begin with). As the middle class loses it's purchasing power, so goes the American economy. I wish people would see that something like a single payer health care would remove the burden and uncertainty that paralyzes households, and would also allow people to be more innovative and take more risks with their careers far more than any tax cut. Freedom from the de ar of going bankrupt from medical bills is a more accurate definition of "freedom" than lowering taxes by4%.

I wish the people who wave their Bibles around and are excessively concerned with who sleeps with who would direct all that energy into the actual Jesus message which is mostly about concern for the poor.
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I wish the people who wave their Bibles around and are excessively concerned with who sleeps with who would direct all that energy into the actual Jesus message which is mostly about concern for the poor.
Jesus was such a dirty socialist.
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Is it fair to call these rallies nothing more than "bitch-fests," since that's how some in here defined the Tea Party?
Both are bitch-fests. So many more things to do with all your time, Jesus.
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