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Old 10-16-2009, 01:07 PM   #31
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if i was female and having an abortion, this would be my response to all the pro-lifers:

"you can bitch and moan about it all you want, but i dont give two shits what you think. it's none of your goddamn business what i do so go worry about your own fucking life and stay the fuck outta mine. that goes for you too, big brother."
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:42 PM   #32
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Fair enough, can you be more specific about what you found biased or missing?
Sorry I had to go to bed. But anyways, I think that the survey didn't take into account population of the countries and how liberal or conservative these countries are in other respects. And the bias is not from the article itself but the survey: "...carried out by the Guttmacher Institute - a pro-choice reproductive think tank..." But, theres obviosuly always gonna be a bias on both sides, and I think I just said that because it was late and I was tired and cranky
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:52 PM   #33
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a) the fetus isn't a human until it is born, has no conscience, conciousness, awareness or cognition.
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I would rather have it end before it could feel pain, or cognate what was happening
There is quite a bit of research that suggests they can feel pain.

Also, consider this.

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They weigh less than 3 pounds, usually, and are perhaps 15 inches long. But “they can remember,” reports Jennifer Harper of The Washington Times (July 16, 2009):

The unborn have memories, according to medical researchers who used sound and vibration stimulation, combined with sonography, to reveal that the human fetus displays short-term memory from at least 30 weeks gestation – or about two months before they are born.

"In addition, results indicated that 34-week-old fetuses are able to store information and retrieve it four weeks later," said the research, which was released Wednesday.

These findings were obtained by scientists from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Maastricht University Medical Centre and the University Medical Centre at St. Radboud, both in the Netherlands, after a study employing “gentle but precise” sensory stimulation was made of 100 healthy pregnant women and their fetuses:

On five occasions during the last eight weeks of their pregnancies, the women received a series of one-second buzzes on their bellies with a "fetal vibroacoustic stimulator," a hand-held diagnostic device used to gauge an unborn baby's heart rate and general well-being.

The baby's responses – primarily eye, mouth and body movements – were closely monitored over the weeks with ultrasound imaging to gauge "fetal learning" patterns. The researchers found that the babies acclimated themselves to the sounds and vibrations to the point that they no longer bothered to respond – a process known as "habituation." "The stimulus is then accepted as 'safe' " by the babies, the study said.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #34
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There is quite a bit of research that suggests they can feel pain.

Also, consider this.



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That quote says they have memory from 7 months... isnt the issue here 1st trimester abortions?
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:23 PM   #35
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That quote says they have memory from 7 months... isnt the issue here 1st trimester abortions?
I don't think that was stated anywhere, just abortion in general.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:31 PM   #36
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I don't think that was stated anywhere, just abortion in general.
The unborn have memories, according to medical researchers who used sound and vibration stimulation, combined with sonography, to reveal that the human fetus displays short-term memory from at least 30 weeks gestation – or about two months before they are born.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:36 PM   #37
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DON'T TREAD ON ME!




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It's an orderly with Bare Arms.





 
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Sicy, no need to add.









I'm proud of myself -- I actually did get it!
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:14 AM   #38
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A fetal heart beat can be detected as early as the fifth week of pregnancy. With Ultrasound. I know this first hand. I was going into my sixth week of pregnancy. When, I had a miscarriage. With my second child.
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:41 PM   #39
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The hysterical fearmongering of botched abortions is an extremist ploy and is not hardly even valid these days. We do have morning after pills you know. Abortion rates in the US are at their lowest since R v W. It is stupid to be against abortion and against contraception. People are not going to stop fucking so you might as well use protection. Legalize pot! It is my body my choice. People are not going to stop smoking weed so might as well make it safe and legal! Crack too and heroin!
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Yes, I believe in the right to bare arms. How do you think America became the most orderly civilization in history?
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which part of America are you referring to? Canada? Venezuela?
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i think someone in this thread had one of the best alters in history, dan dont get too wound up !
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i think someone in this thread had one of the best alters in history, dan dont get too wound up !
why thank you!

seriously though, i agree with you! it is a good one.
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