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Old 10-01-2004, 06:49 AM   #121
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I thought Bush practiced for these debates LOL but I guess he didn't do a good job... his posture, his facial expressions, and his long pauses were pretty if not

If Bush doesn't correct those things then Kerry has got a good chance.
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he did the same things in 2000 where many felt he won the debates... ya never can tell how these "faults" of bush will play in the sticks...

we'll see what the polls after this weekend say... if kerry doesn't pick up a bunch of points, he's toast.
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Old 10-01-2004, 08:14 AM   #123
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agreed. My friend said the same thing, that "Bush sounded scared to answer and had too many pauses." If I remember correctly, this is why people called our President "unintelligent" last election.

That said, I hope Bush stops with the flip flop idea now that he's beaten it to death...
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Remember when everyone jumped on Gore in 2000 for the sighs? Bush is going to get the same treatment for all his eye rolling. When Bush was speaking, Kerry was taking notes. When Kerry was speaking, Bush was licking his lips, looking off with this weird stare and when he finally did get a chance to speak, he stumbled and bumbled and looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Some commentator said afterwards that some may find that endearing that Bush talks just like the guy down the street. I don't. As Jon Stewart said, I don't want the guy down the street to be president. I was someone smarter than me.

Kerry needed desperately to pull out a win and he did. If things continue to go the way they did last night, Bush is going to be toast in the next two debates. Even if you think last night was a draw, that's not good enough for Bush. He's the president of the United States, he made the policies over the past four years. He should be able to soundly defend them against any opponent. Anything less than a sure win for Bush is a loss for Bush.

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In a debate about Foreign Policy did either of them mention AIDS?

I appreciate THIS is on your radar screen.

But, to many "good old Americans" this is a 'Negro problem' in Africa.


On principle Kerry should have brought it up.
Carter put principles first and did not do too well.

Bush only brings it up when he wants to play the compassionate conservative.
Until election is over Bush will be solidifying his base. Sorry no Aids talk from him.
Only bait for bigots, sanctity of marriage and crap like that.
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he did the same things in 2000 where many felt he won the debates...



Are you waiting for Sean Hannity to tell you what you saw and heard?
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Old 10-01-2004, 10:59 AM   #127
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I just read the transcript. I wondered if maybe I was hoping it read better than it sounded.

Bush had his ass handed to him last night. He did not bring his A game. There were times when Kerry made statements that he could have been NAILED on. My wife, the liberal of the house, at times was saying he just opened the door for Bush to slam him, yet it never happened.

If the independant voters saw this, and it sways them, there may still be life for Kerry.
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I feel better about Kerry's chances than I have in months. If he can keep this up he can at least make the race competitive.
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Are you waiting for Sean Hannity to tell you what you saw and heard?
yeah that's exactly what i friggin do. i sit around all day and wait for talking heads to give me ideas on what to say so that i don't look so umintaligent. yes'um sir. that's whats i do.



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yea that really friggin pisses me off... i make up my own friggin mind, thank you very much. i don't need, nor want, anyone to tell me how to friggin think. did hannity say something similar? i don't know, i couldn't tell ya, 'cause once the debate was over, i made a few posts in here and went straight to the friggin bar. a few pints sounded a hell of a lot better than abunch of a-holes telling me what i should think about what two dicks just talked about for an hour and a half. the guy did do the same damn things in 2000, the guy isn't a polished, smooth talking debator like kerry is, and god damn it that's why a whole lot of people in the country like him to begin with. if friggin sean hannity or jon stewart or tiny friggin tim said the same thing, i do not know, nor care.
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Old 10-01-2004, 12:36 PM   #131
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he did the same things in 2000 where many felt he won the debates... ya never can tell how these "faults" of bush will play in the sticks...
That may have played better in 2000 when he was a challenger sticking it to Mr. Know-It-All-Professor. But watching it last night it didn't seem very "presidential." Now that Bush is in office I would hope that viewers would hold him to higher standards than they did when he was an outsider running for president.

Of course, I'm bringing my own bias into this, but that's my two cents.
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Are you waiting for Sean Hannity to tell you what you saw and heard?
I'm gonna have to defend Headache on this. I saw Hannity after the debates. Oh my gawd, if anyone believed that guy they are COMPLETELY gullible and I think Headache is smarter than that, even if I do disagree with him. Hannity was all like "I've never seen Bush be at great as he was tonight. He sounded more intelligent than Socrates and Plato COMBINED! Kerry had to run off to a corner and cry in the middle of the debate, he was getting beaten so badly!" Hannity was sooo out of his mind last night.
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Headache in a Suitcase,



I believe the 2000 debates could be argued to be closer and even advantage to Bush.
Last nights debate was not close.

When he said the enemy attacked us as an excuse for Iraq?
When Bush called Saddam Osama.

I thought your post suggested it was close.
I expect only Fox will say that.
I have heard the Bush camp say it was a draw. (They wish)

I think there is nothing Kerry can do.
And almost nothing Bush can do to change
the outcome.
I expect Bush to win handily.



No offense intended.
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I'm gonna have to defend Headache on this. I saw Hannity after the debates. Oh my gawd, if anyone believed that guy they are COMPLETELY gullible and I think Headache is smarter than that, even if I do disagree with him. Hannity was all like "I've never seen Bush be at great as he was tonight. He sounded more intelligent than Socrates and Plato COMBINED! Kerry had to run off to a corner and cry in the middle of the debate, he was getting beaten so badly!" Hannity was sooo out of his mind last night.
You can read Alan Colmes weak softballs towards Karen Hughes, and see Hannity and Hughes fight over who gets to call John Kerry a bigger loser here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134244,00.html

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First of all I never saw the President this passionate or articulate or really on his game tonight.
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the one person i did listen to was imus on my drive in to work this morning, and low and behold, he, a kerry supporter, thinks that bush's "bumbling" or whatever you want to call it makes him seem like a more "real guy" and that he doesn't think kerry will get any bump out of this debate.

wether or not that plays as well as it did in 2000, i don't know... kerry clearly won the debate, but he didn't put forth a dominating performance, which is what he really needed. he set himself up big time a couple of times for bush to swoop right in and hit him where it hurts, but bush didn't do any swooping, and he left the door open for kerry.

kerry won this debate... he should get a decent bump out of this, and if he doesn't get a bump, then he has no chance of catching up to bush and he will get blown out come november.
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