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Old 09-30-2004, 09:37 PM   #91
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I think the above mentioned polls had chosen undecided voters beforehand to participate in the opinion polls right after the debate. That's how they were able to get poll results so fast.
The CBS poll used undecided voters!
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I am on to you.
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate your support.
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Oh, now that is a great post!


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Does anyone else feel bad about questioning the Bush administration’s priorities?
We are sending a signal the terrorists!

That a free peolpe have the right to question and hold their leaders accoutable.


Bush did say once in public a dictatorship would be easier for him.
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He did! So he went out and got himself one in Iraq!
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As we all know Allawi is worse than Saddam Hussein because he was also a Baathist enforcer and a terrorist backed by the US.
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Old 09-30-2004, 09:49 PM   #97
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"Hey guys, what did you think of the debate?"

"Ah, can we get a non-partisan Guinness?!"

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That picture is hilarious! I copied it, thanks!
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I think Kerry got a leg up in the debate by just looking personable. We all knew Kerry can meander when he talks but he has good oratory. Bush of course stumbles over thoughts and words. Nothing new there, but he stays on message. People may hate the repetitiveness but IMO the audience usually needs reinforecement to get a message especially if it pertains to a point.

With that said, there were no true winners unless you define a winner of a debate as comin across as more likeable. I think Kerry came across more likeable than what he's portrayed. Bush on the other hand just seemed the same old guy. Fairly plain spoken and clear. What worked for Bush in 2000 s IMO working for Kerry... low expectations. The question is if KErry can build on that.

I also agree with Headache.... Given the way Kerry was debating and just the fact that Kerry is walking a tightrope on Iraq, Bush could have smashed him. CNN, MSNBC.... they found more factual holes in Kerry's arguments/ facts then Bush. Of course it could change after the transcripts are looked at and analyzed more closely but the fact they are able to pick up stuff that quickly is not really a good sign. Bush could have really pulled away IMO but couldn't do it. It remains to be seen if Bush can pull out a convincing win. The new employment numbers next week should provide for some interesting spin next week.

Hell, IMO Ralph Reed who was interviewed on MSNBC put up a more cogent/ convincing bashing of Kerry and he didn't have notes... LOL
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warchild,
i should not derail this thread

peed


back to the debate.


Kerry did a much better job than Bush.
He answered the questions.
I watched CNN they had the questions posted on screen. Sometimes Bush ignored the question completely.
I don't think these debates will have much effect. I expect Bush to win the election.


"It's hard work" He needs some time off.
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IMO Bush wasn't offensive enough (i.e. more aggressive - maybe he was intimidated by the potential for bad soundbites or a good Kerry soundbite) and his message was based too much on his stump speech and not enough on other angles...
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I thought Bush was pretty agressive, and seemed very conscious of what would make good soundbites. He'd sort of meander around his answer for the first minute thirty of his answers, but he'd really become animated for the last 30 seconds, raising his voice and shaking his fist, getting mad, etc. And it worked to a degree, as those are the clips I'm seeing repeated on the evening news. For all the people who didn't watch the debates, that is the picture they'll have of Bush's performance.

I thought Kerry did really well, especially considering that Bush always outpolls him on defense/security issues. Kerry had a lot of good things to say, and he said them clearly without being too wordy. I thought he made a lot of good points that Bush failed to adequately rebut.

Gallup/CNN is reporting Kerry "won" the debate 53 to 37 percent. I wonder if they're oversampling Republicans for this poll too.
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NBC went through some of the errors made by both candidates. Arguably, Kerry over exaggerated the cost of the war in Iraq by $80,000,000. Again, it is arguable that he over exaggerated the cost. Undeniably, Bush lied on the number of trained Iraqi security force members by 50,000. A week before the debate, the leader of Iraq said 50,0000 troops, half the number Bush claimed, were in active service.
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