sharky
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You forgot Poland!!!!!!
Presidential Debate
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EdgeVox
War Child
Kerry's kicking ass
thank god
Xavier
thank god
Xavier
nurse chrissi
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
there is some verbal bitch-slapping goning on during this debate
I like it
I like it
I enjoy watching GW's facial expressions 
only thing we've learned here tonight is that kerry is a smoother, more polished debator than bush. 
actually i think we already knew that.
actually i think we already knew that.youtwohearts
New Yorker
I wonder how many glasses of water Bush had under his podium? It seemed never ending.
Well what do you think? I think once Kerry settle in he did very well. I think Bush himself fumbled once or twice but I don't think they answered too many questions. They danced nicely together. I don't feel too much better about the saftey of my 5 year old daughter and the scares me to death.
Well what do you think? I think once Kerry settle in he did very well. I think Bush himself fumbled once or twice but I don't think they answered too many questions. They danced nicely together. I don't feel too much better about the saftey of my 5 year old daughter and the scares me to death.
bush could have knocked kerry out tonight, he didn't. but kerry didn't exactly put himself ahead on the score cards either, but he's around to fight another round. the town hall debate should be interesting.
EdgeVox
War Child
Kerry won.........though I do acknowledge that Bush did pretty good as well......excellent debate.......Jim Lehrer did an awesome job
U2democrat
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JOHN KERRY ROCKS MY WORLD!!!!!!!!!
Anthony
Refugee
I thought Kerry did a lot better in the second half than the first, and when he was good, he was good.
Bush, unsurprisingly, was really a lot less convincing, and that was made painfully obvious due to the sheer amount of times he repeated the phrase 'Its hard work, but we're making progress!"
Repetition, repetition, repetition.
If I don't hear that phrase ever again it'll be too soon.
Ant.
Bush, unsurprisingly, was really a lot less convincing, and that was made painfully obvious due to the sheer amount of times he repeated the phrase 'Its hard work, but we're making progress!"
Repetition, repetition, repetition.
If I don't hear that phrase ever again it'll be too soon.
Ant.
pax
ONE love, blood, life
Edwards on NBC right after the debate Did anyone else catch Bush's 5-second-long "deer in the headlights" look? Great.
A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
Bush did better than I expected. (Islamic Muslims - now that is a good clarification).
I would also like to thank Kerry for making it clear that Australia is not a real ally of the US like France because as we all know the coalition is not a "true alliance" coalition. Its the perfect plan, send your sister over to tell us that the War in Iraq made us a larger terror target and it is all Bush's fault that Jakarta and Bali occured - basically drive away a strong US ally and then turn around to sweet talk a larger Nato training presence even though most countries have made it clear they want nothing to do with Iraq other than the business deals.
I would also like to thank Kerry for making it clear that Australia is not a real ally of the US like France because as we all know the coalition is not a "true alliance" coalition. Its the perfect plan, send your sister over to tell us that the War in Iraq made us a larger terror target and it is all Bush's fault that Jakarta and Bali occured - basically drive away a strong US ally and then turn around to sweet talk a larger Nato training presence even though most countries have made it clear they want nothing to do with Iraq other than the business deals.
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nurse chrissi
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
this was a great debate -
I was a little upset that the smackdown didn't occur but then again the VP debate is next week and we have two more presidential debates so I haven't given up hope yet
I'm a democrate but I really enjoy seeing both sides of the issues in debates - it seems that everyone is so polarized that to hear a different view than what you believe in is shocking - it shouldn't be - so republicans - I like you - I like debating - I think it is healthy and one of the main foundations of the USA
I still am upset that no one got slapped
edited to say that yes John Edwards is hot - damn hot
I was a little upset that the smackdown didn't occur but then again the VP debate is next week and we have two more presidential debates so I haven't given up hope yet
I'm a democrate but I really enjoy seeing both sides of the issues in debates - it seems that everyone is so polarized that to hear a different view than what you believe in is shocking - it shouldn't be - so republicans - I like you - I like debating - I think it is healthy and one of the main foundations of the USA
I still am upset that no one got slapped
edited to say that yes John Edwards is hot - damn hot
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verte76
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Well, I enjoyed it. I thought Kerry was excellent, Bush was good also. Bush had a couple of tentative moments when he repeated "'we're working hard", but well done, guys. The Republicans here know they're my good friends. 
hiphop
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Well, as part of the international public watching this debate, I stayed up until 4:30 a.m., and I have to say there was something I didn´t understand:
When talking about the International Criminal Court, Bush said that he is going to protect and value American interests first, that´s why he would not ratificate the ICC (and probably many other international treaties, example: How to dismantle an atomic bomb - just ratificate at the CTBT for a start, Mr. President).
At the same time, the U.S.A. and the two presidential candidates and many Americans who I spoke with on my recent travel, have the opinion that the U.S. is "the leader of the free world" and has interest in fulfillig this position, like "protecting the world" (all the preemptive strike arguments, we know better than the U.N. what to do), etc.
Thing is, the majority of the world is not always going to agree with the U.S. - that´s just a plain a fact (you can see that with the disagreements about the Iraq war).
How does Bush, or the average American, want to be leader of the world to some extent, when he is not ready to ratificate international treaties like the ICC treaty? How can the Americans take the right to think they know what is the right thing for all the world? If you want to be the leader of the world, imo the foreign policy has to change drastically.
Kerry was going into the right direction, by stating that he cares about international treaties, and that the current administration has failed to sign important treaties. But Bush (and, thats one thing that has always pissed Europeans off) advocates that his decisions (which, as an American President, he has to make for the Americans - not for the rest of the world) are the right ones for the rest of the world too, because they are "just right", he knows about that (I don´t know where from, has God told him?)
Somehow I don´t get it. Where do you want to stand now? For America, or for being a kind of leader of the (democratic, free etc.) world?
When talking about the International Criminal Court, Bush said that he is going to protect and value American interests first, that´s why he would not ratificate the ICC (and probably many other international treaties, example: How to dismantle an atomic bomb - just ratificate at the CTBT for a start, Mr. President).
At the same time, the U.S.A. and the two presidential candidates and many Americans who I spoke with on my recent travel, have the opinion that the U.S. is "the leader of the free world" and has interest in fulfillig this position, like "protecting the world" (all the preemptive strike arguments, we know better than the U.N. what to do), etc.
Thing is, the majority of the world is not always going to agree with the U.S. - that´s just a plain a fact (you can see that with the disagreements about the Iraq war).
How does Bush, or the average American, want to be leader of the world to some extent, when he is not ready to ratificate international treaties like the ICC treaty? How can the Americans take the right to think they know what is the right thing for all the world? If you want to be the leader of the world, imo the foreign policy has to change drastically.
Kerry was going into the right direction, by stating that he cares about international treaties, and that the current administration has failed to sign important treaties. But Bush (and, thats one thing that has always pissed Europeans off) advocates that his decisions (which, as an American President, he has to make for the Americans - not for the rest of the world) are the right ones for the rest of the world too, because they are "just right", he knows about that (I don´t know where from, has God told him?)
Somehow I don´t get it. Where do you want to stand now? For America, or for being a kind of leader of the (democratic, free etc.) world?
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the debate it's self was faily even... who actually gains the most from this debate depends on who's group can do a better job of spin. i don't think bush did as clear a job getting his points across, because i think if he did get his points across he coulda knocked kerry completely out of the race, and i'd be surprised if that's the result of this debate.
Anthony
Refugee
I agree completely, hiphop.
My main criticism from day one of Bush has been his incessant disregard for international treaties. Now, thats fine if you are the leader of the United States (actually, its not fine - but at least you can understand his position), but what disturbed me was the number of times he kept saying 'you can't lead the world if you do this', or 'the leader of the world can't act like that...'. He said that far too many times for any person, let alone a person who has shown nothing but contempt for the ICC and the Kyoto Protocol, to name but a few international issues.
No, I don't want the US to elect a president that will serve the rest of the world before the US, but I don't want someone who has been as disrespectful with the international community as President Bush has been.
Ant.
My main criticism from day one of Bush has been his incessant disregard for international treaties. Now, thats fine if you are the leader of the United States (actually, its not fine - but at least you can understand his position), but what disturbed me was the number of times he kept saying 'you can't lead the world if you do this', or 'the leader of the world can't act like that...'. He said that far too many times for any person, let alone a person who has shown nothing but contempt for the ICC and the Kyoto Protocol, to name but a few international issues.
No, I don't want the US to elect a president that will serve the rest of the world before the US, but I don't want someone who has been as disrespectful with the international community as President Bush has been.
Ant.
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my last statement before i head off to bed...
if bush's lead increases after this debate, kerry's toast.
if bush's lead increases after this debate, kerry's toast.
hiphop
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Bush also repeated about 20 times that "his opponent" (I think Kerry never used the word opponent, but correct me if I´m wrong) was unconcrete and always shifted positions, is too "unconcrete", the Americans need a strong Presindent, they know what he is standing for, etc.
Well, I haven´t followed all the discussions up until now, but to me Kerry stated his positions quite clearly in this debate (Bush too, but he was pausing more, and sometimes he didn´t seem to know what to reply for a moment).
Well, I haven´t followed all the discussions up until now, but to me Kerry stated his positions quite clearly in this debate (Bush too, but he was pausing more, and sometimes he didn´t seem to know what to reply for a moment).
nurse chrissi
Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB
anyone watching the daily show? - by far the funniest post debate commentary
Anthony
Refugee
To be fair, I do think Kerry has made it easy for the media to interpret him as inconsistent. Indeed, I daresay that there may be a degree of inconsistency to the man. However, I do think that tonight he did attempt to ratify that particular problem, and was succesful most of the time.
There was one time when he did very blatantly contradict himself, however, during the first half, when he didn't seem all that comfortable. It was in the second half where he was a lot stronger, and Bush did get weaker.
Ant.
There was one time when he did very blatantly contradict himself, however, during the first half, when he didn't seem all that comfortable. It was in the second half where he was a lot stronger, and Bush did get weaker.
Ant.
ok maybe one more thing before i go to bed... gotta support my guy a little.
talk all ya want about bush's pauses. fine... kerry is a smoother debator. but again, how this debate will effect the poll will be based on who can spin this in their favor the best. kerry is thought, right or wrong, to be a guy who wants it both ways. the fact that he stated that the war in iraq "was a colosal (*sp) mistake" and 2 minutes later said that the troops in iraq are not dying for a mistake ain't gonna help him, and the fact that he attempted to slam bush on not supplying the troops with the proper body armor to fight in iraq when kerry himself voted against the body armor in the senate... that ain't gonna help either.
talk all ya want about bush's pauses. fine... kerry is a smoother debator. but again, how this debate will effect the poll will be based on who can spin this in their favor the best. kerry is thought, right or wrong, to be a guy who wants it both ways. the fact that he stated that the war in iraq "was a colosal (*sp) mistake" and 2 minutes later said that the troops in iraq are not dying for a mistake ain't gonna help him, and the fact that he attempted to slam bush on not supplying the troops with the proper body armor to fight in iraq when kerry himself voted against the body armor in the senate... that ain't gonna help either.
Anthony
Refugee
Very true.
Ant.
Ant.
EdgeVox
War Child
Daily Show is my choice for Post-Debate Commentary............hilarious
Xavier
Xavier
DaveC
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John Kerry is the master debater!!
tiny dancer
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EdgeVox said:
Much agree EdgeVox on everything!
A_Wanderer
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Kerry won it no doubt but did he win it well enough?
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odowdpa
The Fly
Kerry did well, but he did fail to mention one thing - what his plan would be in Iraq. I picked up on it and while listening to NBC speak to one of his advisors; he was asked what Kerry's big weakness was tonight and that was it. He didn't get anything across. Whether anyone else picked up on it though is in the air.
You gotta give it to him though. Through gritted teeth, I have to say he is smooth.
You gotta give it to him though. Through gritted teeth, I have to say he is smooth.
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