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Old 11-04-2009, 10:04 AM   #61
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at least this Christie guy campaigned on the economic issues of government spending and jobs, instead of the typical conservative social issues of gay and immigrant bashing

It seems the Virginia winner did the same, these guys might not be that bad.
There's the old adage that "all politics are local." Democrats held New Jersey for 12 years and Corzine was long unpopular. A party switch in the governor's office here was likely inevitable. And Republicans appear to have run a better campaign in Virginia and earned the victory. Considering, currently, that the largest political affiliation in the U.S. these days is "Independent," what does Obama really have to do with either of these races? Probably nothing. Can you really imagine New Jersey voting for, hypothetically speaking, Sarah Palin in 2012? Hah!

NY-23 is interesting only because GOP conservatives pinned all their hopes on this race all by themselves as a referendum on Obama, and they still lost. I think this race stands as a greater metaphor for the state of American politics in that substance still matters over ideology, even if that doesn't make for a very good soundbite for pundits.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:14 AM   #62
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Not really as I only compare my life to Christ's. Kinda humbling actually.


this is priceless. the very definition of self-righteousness. you gave me a smile on a rather sad morning.
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i think we're also seeing the conservative end of the independents slowly move back to the GOP. they moved away because of, 1) Bush and his disastrous presidency, and 2) Palin.

in both NJ and VA, two states that have elected a governor the opposite of who is in the white house for the past, what, 25 years, two Republicans who ran on issues won against 1) a poor candidate in VA, and 2) an unpopular governor in NJ. in both states, Obama's approval ratings remain quite high.

and given the closeness of the Bloomberg race, i think we can say that the greatest economic catastrophe since the Great Depression is bad news for incumbents.

and i can't say i'm all that upset by that.

what i do fear is that the Blue Dogs will get cowardly, that health care reform is doomed this year, that the DNC will get cautious, and that gay people will continue to be kept at arms length by the Democratic establishment.

Obama has the least to worry about.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:42 AM   #64
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this is priceless. the very definition of self-righteousness. you gave me a smile on a rather sad morning.
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Main Entry: 1com·pare
Pronunciation: \kəm-ˈper\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): com·pared; com·par·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French comparer, from Latin comparare to couple, compare, from compar like, from com- + par equal
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 : to represent as similar : liken <shall I compare thee to a summer's day? — Shakespeare>
2 a : to examine the character or qualities of especially in order to discover resemblances or differences <compare your responses with the answers> b : to view in relation to <tall compared to me> <easy compared with the last test>
3 : to inflect or modify (an adjective or adverb) according to the degrees of comparison
I thought I was in the company of those that knew the definition of, or understood the meaning of the verb "compare."

I guess I thought wrong.
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I know what He said about sin. And I know what He said about the log in my own eye. Which is why I don't argue against same-sex marriage because I think homosexuals to be morally or civilly inferior to myself or heterosexuals in any way.
It has to do with what I, indy500, personally feel is the best thing for society, children and to guarantee generational cohesion. Which is a mother and a father as the nucleus of a family.

Maybe it's not hip or politically correct. But it is my personal belief and dictates how I vote.
Regardless of the evidence?

Lesbian parents yield better outcomes than heterosexuals for their children on plenty of benchmarks, does your attitude exist independently of what happens in the real world?
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I thought I was in the company of those that knew the definition of, or understood the meaning of the verb "compare."

I guess I thought wrong.
Well, you're both right, in some regard. Yes, comparing oneself to Christ is a common narrative and aspiration in Christianity, so, in that regard, I do not find it unusual nor that one can automatically presume that it was stated out of self-righteousness.

On the other hand, as a matter of historiography, Christian comparisons to Christ or Satan were often as arbitrary as liking or disliking someone, and so it is not much of a stretch to note such self-righteousness and to say that others are, by nature of contrast, "Satanic" by default when such statements are made. It is, more or less, part of the medieval "Christian tradition."
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Regardless of the evidence?

Lesbian parents yield better outcomes than heterosexuals for their children on plenty of benchmarks, does your attitude exist independently of what happens in the real world?
Frankly, it is regardless of the evidence. White supremacists, as an example, will rail against blacks for being "stupid," thus proving the supremacy of the "white race," while they will also rail against "Asians" (which are typically visualized as Chinese and Japanese) for being too smart and working too hard, thus being a threat to the dominance of the "white race." In other words, if whites are deemed as the ideal from the onset, any other argumentation is merely justification after the fact.

One can clearly see the same kind of "logic" amongst the "heterosexual supremacist" movement of today, considering the haphazard arguments we've seen from them as to why gays should be marginalized over the years. Fortunately, I think more and more people are seeing them for what they are, and that's why we're seeing the ballot initiatives running on closer margins that one could ever have seen possible even five years ago.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:28 AM   #68
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I thought I was in the company of those that knew the definition of, or understood the meaning of the verb "compare."

I guess I thought wrong.


no, you don't get it, which makes it even more self-righteous.

i only compare myself to ... Ghandi/Steven Spielberg/Michael Phelps/JFK. kind of humbling, actually.

but that's okay.

i still like you.
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no, you don't get it, which makes it even more self-righteous.

i only compare myself to ... Ghandi/Steven Spielberg/Michael Phelps/JFK. kind of humbling, actually.

but that's okay.

i still like you.
But how do you rate yourself? When I say I'm humbled when comparing myself with the example of Christ it's because I see how short I come up in the results of the comparison. Comparing myself to others could easily lead to feeling either pride or low self-esteem. Neither of which is good.

Nothing wrong, however, with observing and learning from others for the purpose of self-improvement. I think you can learn something from anyone.

BVS being the possible exception. (joke)
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But how do you rate yourself? When I say I'm humbled when comparing myself with the example of Christ it's because I see how short I come up in the results of the comparison.

I don't see how you can use 'humble' in regards to yourself,
when the below post is anything but.





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I know the issue means a lot to you so I won't brag, but what now, 0 - 31.

I have no idea how the campaign was run in Maine, but if you bad-mouth the citizens tomorrow morning as intolerant or hateful, I promise you it will be 0 - 32 the next time it comes up.

Just some friendly advice.
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But how do you rate yourself? When I say I'm humbled when comparing myself with the example of Christ it's because I see how short I come up in the results of the comparison. Comparing myself to others could easily lead to feeling either pride or low self-esteem. Neither of which is good.

good point.

Christ stood in solidarity with the marginalized, so i guess you are coming up short there.
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How many people here are scared to death?

ABC News’ Rick Klein and Z. Byron Wolf report: The top Republicans in the House and Senate took something of a victory lap today, jumping on the results from yesterday’s elections in Virginia and New Jersey to predict GOP gains in the 2010 congressional contests.

In a joint interview with ABC News, House Minority Leader John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said they were thrilled to see independent voters supporting Republican candidates in both of the day’s big contests.

Boehner, R-Ohio, said the wave of anger at President Obama and Democrats in Congress is only growing as 2010 approaches

“There’s a political rebellion going on in America, and what we saw last night was just a glimpse of it,” Boehner said.

Asked if that means Republicans will win back the House, he responded: “I think we’re looking for a very good year.”

McConnell, R-Ky., said the election results will make it more difficult for the president to convince Democrats to support a sweeping health care bill.

“You’ve got a lot of newly elected Democrats -- as they had two good years in a row -- who are hanging on by their fingernails, and being pushed by the speaker and the majority leader to support legislation that they now know for sure their constituents don’t approve of,” McConnell said.

“I don’t know whether they’re going to find the votes or not,” Boehner said. “But I can tell you they don’t have the votes.”

Boehner rejected the notion that the race in New York’s 23rd congressional election suggests that the GOP should be concerned about its divisions, pointing out that GOP primaries will sort out virtually all such scenarios next year.

Both he and McConnell, though, endorsed a “big tent” approach to growing the party’s numbers in Congress.

McConnell offered strong support for Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, the one Republican who has voted in favor of Democrats’ health care proposals to date. Yesterday, Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn., said Snowe “can't say she's a Republican and then vote against the Republican position much of the time.”

Said McConnell: “Olympia Snowe is a member of our conference in good standing. Maine is a very, very left of center state. We’re extremely grateful to have her in our conference, and we have a ‘big tent’ party here in the Senate.”

Added Boehner: “We want Republicans of every stripe.”

Both men said they were happy to have an Election Day where Republicans made up some ground.”

“Been a while,” McConnell said. “The return of the independents is extremely important. And if they’re there a year from now, we’ll have another very good election.”

Said Boehner: “Clearly it’s been a difficult year. For us it’s been like standing in front of a machine gun -- liberal ideas every single week, one after another. It think it really has the American people concerned. They’re scared to death, actually.”
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^I'm not particularly frightened. It's just a couple of elections, and the ones the Republicans won were for governor, not Congress. If the Conservative Party guy had actually won the New York congressional seat, then I would be scared.
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equality blooms with spring

i guess it's Autumn now..

and a horse is a horse of course..

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Just think this bears repeating.
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