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Old 11-04-2009, 12:11 AM   #46
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Maybe???? You mean we have options?
Who knows you may all start supporting stem cell research just to keep the hatred alive
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Maybe???? You mean we have options?


we're going to put it to a vote. democracy and self-determination and all.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:22 AM   #48
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Who knows you may all start supporting stem cell research just to keep the hatred alive
Exactly. I know I wake up each morning wondering "who can I hate today."
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:24 AM   #49
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we're going to put it to a vote. democracy and self-determination and all.
Ah ha. Death panels.

I knew it.
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Exactly. I know I wake up each morning wondering "who can I hate today."
You have to wonder? I'm jealous.
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Exactly. I know I wake up each morning wondering "who can I hate today."
That's the first step
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Exactly. I know I wake up each morning wondering "who can I hate today."
no need to wonder

if you go to church

they tell you to hate 'sin'

and then they tell you what 'sin' is

and then they tell you who 'sins'.


then you can feel all self - righteous
and say it is just 'democracy and self-determination'.
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Exactly. I know I wake up each morning wondering "who can I hate today."


nah -- it's more, "who can i distinguish myself from and then denigrate them so i can make myself feel better about myself?"
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on a happier note, it looks like the 'mos won in Washington State.

they pretty much get everything but the word, which makes some people feel a little less frightened that their children will be taught how to be gay in school, i suppose.
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at least this Christie guy campaigned on the economic issues of government spending and jobs, instead of the typical conservative social issues of gay and immigrant bashing

It seems the Virginia winner did the same, these guys might not be that bad.
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no need to wonder

if you go to church

they tell you to hate 'sin'

and then they tell you what 'sin' is

and then they tell you who 'sins'.
Which would be me.

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Not really as I only compare my life to Christ's. Kinda humbling actually.
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and say it is just 'democracy and self-determination'.
At least we agree on Calvinism.
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Not really as I only compare my life to Christ's. Kinda humbling actually.
since you brought "the guy" up


please tell me what 'he' said about same sex people?


if you truly want to "compare" (i think you meant follow his example)
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since you brought "the guy" up


please tell me what 'he' said about same sex people?


if you truly want to "compare" (i think you meant follow his example)

I know what He said about sin. And I know what He said about the log in my own eye. Which is why I don't argue against same-sex marriage because I think homosexuals to be morally or civilly inferior to myself or heterosexuals in any way.
It has to do with what I, indy500, personally feel is the best thing for society, children and to guarantee generational cohesion. Which is a mother and a father as the nucleus of a family.

Maybe it's not hip or politically correct. But it is my personal belief and dictates how I vote.
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I know what He said about sin. And I know what He said about the log in my own eye. Which is why I don't argue against same-sex marriage because I think homosexuals to be in morally or civilly inferior to myself or heterosexuals in any way.
It has to do with what I, indy500, personally feel is the best thing for society, children and to guarantee generational cohesion. Which is a mother and a father as the nucleus of a family.

Maybe it's not hip or politically correct. But it is my personal belief.
I have a lot on personal feelings about what is best for children and society.

I don't think children should be raised in homes with smokers, boozers or people that corrupt their minds with racist or bigoted beliefs.

I don't believe my beliefs should be imposed on others by a popular vote.

As for it being best for children to be raised by a mother and a father as the nucleus of a family. Would you advocate couples not be allowed to divorce?
Single parents have their children placed with a foster couple until they get married? Single straight people not being allowed to adopt children.
Would you want to vote on all of the above and make laws to those effects.

I have indulged your 'best for children' concept for the sake of this discussion.
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I'd still love to see the results of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments prohibiting slavery and granting black men voting and equal rights (remembering that female suffrage was still yet to come, of course), if the North didn't make their passage a precondition for Confederate readmission into the Union. Can you imagine 19th century Southern white landowners (read: slaveholders) willingly voting to end slavery and to give their former slaves equal status to them?

Putting minority rights to a vote is immoral.
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