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Old 11-03-2009, 11:42 PM   #31
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49-46 ?

46% is a pretty impressive showing for a 3rd party candidate.

It does look like the youth vote showed up in Maine.

I hope the no vote wins.
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49-46 ?

46% is a pretty impressive showing for a 3rd party candidate.

It does look like the youth vote showed up in Maine.

I hope the no vote wins.



Maine isn't looking good -- looks to be a repeat of California.

i guess when you use children in peril in your ads, people have a gut emotional reaction.

we'll see what happens.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:47 PM   #33
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the results from NY-23

make your intentional hyperbole

look misplaced.

Not when you consider that

A. The Democrat ran as a Blue Dog moderate, arguably to the right of the Republican and
B. Hoffman was
1. A third party candidate
2. Entered the race very late
3. Was not endorsed by the Republican party "insiders and shakers" but still
a. forced the GOP candidate out of the race
b. and if not winning, lost in a very close race

Republicans take back the seat next year.
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Not when you consider that

A. The Democrat ran as a Blue Dog moderate, arguably to the right of the Republican and
B. Hoffman was
1. A third party candidate
2. Entered the race very late
3. Was not endorsed by the Republican party "insiders and shakers" but still
a. forced the GOP candidate out of the race
b. and if not winning, lost in a very close race

Republicans take back the seat next year.


but the Beck/Plain axis doesn't have nearly the bite they claim.

which, in many ways, is too bad for the White House.

the more they can paint the leaders of the GOP as batshit insane as Beck and Palin, the more the middle runs away from them.

also, the Bloomberg race should tell us that there's a strong anti-incumbent feeling out there which is far more indicative of the mood of the public -- everyone's unsettled, everyone's uneasy, and with 10% unemployment, debts, and two wars, it's quite understandable.

Obama remains quite popular, which makes the fixation on this as a "referendum" on Obama -- and, for the GOP, a way to frighten the "Blue Dogs" -- not just shallow, but wildly misleading.
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Maine isn't looking good -- looks to be a repeat of California.

i guess when you use children in peril in your ads, people have a gut emotional reaction.

we'll see what happens.
I know the issue means a lot to you so I won't brag, but what now, 0 - 31.

I have no idea how the campaign was run in Maine, but if you bad-mouth the citizens tomorrow morning as intolerant or hateful, I promise you it will be 0 - 32 the next time it comes up.

Just some friendly advice.
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Maine isn't looking good -- looks to be a repeat of California.

i guess when you use children in peril in your ads, people have a gut emotional reaction.

we'll see what happens.
If Maine goes the way of Prop 8 in CA
I hope there will be a boycott Maine movement.

I can't believe people can be so cruel.
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I know the issue means a lot to you so I won't brag, but what now, 0 - 31.

I have now idea how the campaign was run in Maine, but if you bad-mouth the citizens tomorrow morning as intolerant or hateful, I promise you it will be 0 - 32 the next time it comes up.

Just some friendly advice.
You seem to be celebrating bigotry.
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I know the issue means a lot to you so I won't brag, but what now, 0 - 31.

I have no idea how the campaign was run in Maine, but if you bad-mouth the citizens tomorrow morning as intolerant or hateful, I promise you it will be 0 - 32 the next time it comes up.

Just some friendly advice.


but, INDY, you are intolerant. i'd like to vote on your marriage. i'd probably approve it, but it depends if it will be taught to children.


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I hope there will be a boycott Maine movement.

I can't believe people can be so cruel.


they are cruel.

did you see the ad campaign? it was all about "gay marriage being taught in schools." the *same* tactic used in CA.

it's deceitful, and low, and it's wrong.

it obviously is a way to eek out a win.
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You seem to be celebrating bigotry.

it's just a competition in here.

we all do it.
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You seem to be celebrating bigotry.
Democracy and self-determination actually.

"Bigotry" being only your analysis of the results.
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You seem to be celebrating bigotry.
That seems to be trendy these days...

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did you see the ad campaign? it was all about "gay marriage being taught in schools." the *same* tactic used in CA.

it's deceitful, and low, and it's wrong.

it obviously is a way to eek out a win.
But it works on the uninformed.

Maybe some day that generation will die off...
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Democracy and self-determination actually.

"Bigotry" being only your analysis of the results.


and if the civil rights movement were up to popular vote throughout the south in the 1960s? would that be democracy and self-determination?
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Maybe some day that generation will die off...


it's clear that we have more work to do to make our case.

i donated significant money (for me) to CA last year, am now kicking myself for not taking ME quite as seriously.
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Maybe some day that generation will die off...
Maybe???? You mean we have options?
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it seems like, 1) there might be a recount, and 2) New England's deep Catholicism came out to play in this.

clearly, as ever, religion is, again, one of the main(e) motivators.

i have to call it a night soon.

what's nice is that Portland -- easily one of the best places to live in the US -- went 74% against the amendment.
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