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Old 11-10-2015, 02:56 PM   #1
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Political Correctness

"The reason every Marxist government in the history of the world turned massively repressive is not because they all had the misfortune of being hijacked by murderous thugs. It’s that the ideology itself prioritizes class justice over individual rights and makes no allowance for legitimate disagreement."

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How ironic in the wake of the far-right's latest whine of victimhood.


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"The reason every Marxist government in the history of the world turned massively repressive is not because they all had the misfortune of being hijacked by murderous thugs. It’s that the ideology itself prioritizes class justice over individual rights and makes no allowance for legitimate disagreement."
Okay.

I suppose that might be worrisome to those who think we're in danger of a Marxist takeover.

Back in reality, this is not a binary issue where you either see the value in class justice or individual rights, but never both.
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Liberal College Professors confess they are now afraid of their own student's sensitivities that if they say anything that veers from the Social Justice Warrior Code that they will be vilified.

Colleges are getting crazy. Read an anecdote of a guy at Appalachian St. who held the door open for a female student during a downpour and instead of a thank you got a diatribe about not needing his Patriarchy and Privilege.

College should be a time for debate and discussing different points of view. Now it is becoming a microcosm of Iron Horse's OP.
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Liberal College Professors confess they are now afraid of their own student's sensitivities that if they say anything that veers from the Social Justice Warrior Code that they will be vilified.

Colleges are getting crazy. Read an anecdote of a guy at Appalachian St. who held the door open for a female student during a downpour and instead of a thank you got a diatribe about not needing his Patriarchy and Privilege.

And if this really happened it's a tiny percent of the population. College campuses have always had these voices in some way or another. The campuses are no more crazy than they were 50 years ago.


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Read an anecdote of a guy at Appalachian St. who held the door open for a female student during a downpour and instead of a thank you got a diatribe about not needing his Patriarchy and Privilege.
Well, that one anecdote is all the proof I need.

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I dunno. There are some crazy stories coming out from Yale, and from Carleton (sp?) College. I haven't read about them very deeply, but I have two friends who are Carleton alumns who were talking about it, and it sounds like it was a big story surrounding the school.

While the intent of "political correctness" or, as I like to call it, "considering other people before you speak or act,*" has its heart in the right place, I do wonder if things have swung too far in the other direction, where the idea of a little common sense is getting lost.

I hate to call it "people being overly sensitive," because a lot of this strife could be avoided if people could just actually learn to LISTEN to what the complainant is saying, rather than getting defensive over whatever you're being accused of doing/saying. Race, sexism, cultural appropriation, whatever. No one can seem to bear that they're being accused of anything. No one wants to accept that one can ACT in a racist/sexist way and be a generally good person at the good time. "I'm not a racist!" "Okay, but this thing you did was actually kind of racist. That doesn't mean you're a racist."

Anyway. Blah blah, I'm rambling. Avoiding work.







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I dunno. There are some crazy stories coming out from Yale, and from Carleton (sp?) College. I haven't read about them very deeply, but I have two friends who are Carleton alumns who were talking about it, and it sounds like it was a big story surrounding the school.

While the intent of "political correctness" or, as I like to call it, "considering other people before you speak or act,*" has its heart in the right place, I do wonder if things have swung too far in the other direction, where the idea of a little common sense is getting lost.

I hate to call it "people being overly sensitive," because a lot of this strife could be avoided if people could just actually learn to LISTEN to what the complainant is saying, rather than getting defensive over whatever you're being accused of doing/saying. Race, sexism, cultural appropriation, whatever. No one can seem to bear that they're being accused of anything. No one wants to accept that one can ACT in a racist/sexist way and be a generally good person at the good time. "I'm not a racist!" "Okay, but this thing you did was actually kind of racist. That doesn't mean you're a racist."

Anyway. Blah blah, I'm rambling. Avoiding work.







*what a concept, right?

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That the iron horse made a thread on political correctness, posts a quote from some article and adds no personal comment is essentially such an inevitably iron horse thing to do.

On a side note, right wingers frothing at the mouth and screaming 'SJW! SJW!' at anything to the left of them is somewhat amusing. It's become an updated term for 'cultural Marxism' almost.
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Well, that one anecdote is all the proof I need.

You know it
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While the intent of "political correctness" or, as I like to call it, "considering other people before you speak or act,*" has its heart in the right place, I do wonder if things have swung too far in the other direction, where the idea of a little common sense is getting lost.
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I honestly do feel like it's getting a little out of control, on the internet at least. People getting offended over every little thing is getting old.
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SOPO - Society of the Perpetually Offended
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I dunno. There are some crazy stories coming out from Yale, and from Carleton (sp?) College. I haven't read about them very deeply, but I have two friends who are Carleton alumns who were talking about it, and it sounds like it was a big story surrounding the school.

While the intent of "political correctness" or, as I like to call it, "considering other people before you speak or act,*" has its heart in the right place, I do wonder if things have swung too far in the other direction, where the idea of a little common sense is getting lost.

I hate to call it "people being overly sensitive," because a lot of this strife could be avoided if people could just actually learn to LISTEN to what the complainant is saying, rather than getting defensive over whatever you're being accused of doing/saying. Race, sexism, cultural appropriation, whatever. No one can seem to bear that they're being accused of anything. No one wants to accept that one can ACT in a racist/sexist way and be a generally good person at the good time. "I'm not a racist!" "Okay, but this thing you did was actually kind of racist. That doesn't mean you're a racist."

Anyway. Blah blah, I'm rambling. Avoiding work.

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This.

I work on a college campus, I'm a minority, and even I know it's going too far. Yale is a case in point. The initial email was well intentioned, I know as a minority I hate seeing people in costumes that are culturally insensitive. I also thought the professor's response was well reasoned. It was the response of the students that I think was out of line. There are better ways to disagree than screaming and hurling insults. Ironically, the professor was trying to treat her students as adults, and the students responded in an infantile manner.

And don't get me started on safe spaces and trigger warnings.
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It's clearly gone too far, but we can't fix it because anytime the discussion gets brought up it's monopolized by those who also think racism is glorified hyperbole.

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