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Old 11-13-2015, 05:01 PM   #61
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Why was it an intense moment, though. That's my problem here. It shouldn't be like that. There's no reason to get that angry because of an e-mail that was aimed at starting conversation, not telling people to "lighten up". This is not the way people should treat one another.

And I'm sorry, but it was certainly not "unfortunate" that it was caught on camera. She wanted to be heard. She stood in front of a group of people and made herself a spectacle. If she DIDN'T expect that to be filmed, I'd be shocked. Why else do it? THAT is a big thing that bothers me about this.

Ugh, look, I'm not trying to say that passion is misplaced. It's misplaced here, and vilifying anyone isn't necessary. Learning to communicate is. That's all I want to say.

And yes, it's TERRIBLE that the aftermath is what it is. For that, I pity her. I just don't use it to justify her initial actions.


i really think we're holding a very young woman to an impossible standard here. that's been my problem from the beginning -- the pile-on of a young person (angry black woman, entitled millennial) who was caught losing control of her emotions. this wasn't for the media, there was someone with a smartphone who recorded it. i can agree that, within the specifics of this incident, the two are talking past each other, but i don't think her anger is indicative of anything beyond the intensity of identity and identification commonly felt by minorities of all kinds.

all that said, i take your points. you're not asking people to gawk at the entitled millennials. that's what's really irritating to me about this whole thing.
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I'm so glad I didn't watch that drivel.
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I hope iron horse doesn't further embarrass himself by showing it to his students.
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:22 PM   #66
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Vlad n U 2 "I hope iron horse doesn't further embarrass himself by showing it to his students."

Why should I be embarrassed?


Back to the issue...

A new report today in The Telegraph:

British universities have become too politically correct and are stifling free speech by banning anything that causes the least offence to anyone, academics argue

“A generation of students is being denied the opportunity to test their opinions against the views of those they don’t agree with.”


Politically correct universities 'are killing free speech' - Telegraph
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:40 PM   #67
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That's not a report, that's a poorly written editorial.

The interesting part of this argument is how the author ignores the fact that protesting these speakers or speaking out against the presence of the statue IS part of the free speech process.


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Old 12-19-2015, 04:51 PM   #68
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http://www.thenation.com/article/pla...football-team/

This state lawmaker is trying to prevent students from being able to speak out, protest, and strike against injustice on campus. But it's the left wing who's trying to restrict speech.


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The interesting part of this argument is how the author ignores the fact that protesting these speakers or speaking out against the presence of the statue IS part of the free speech process.
Bingo.

And this...

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It is important that more do, because a culture that restricts the free exchange of ideas encourages self-censorship and leaves people afraid to express their views in case they may be misinterpreted.
Ergh. For the love of god, people can say whatever they want. But if they say something that is ignorant, or may be construed as offensive (or IS offensive), they should be prepared for the fact that someone may call them out for it. Trump is allowed to say we should ban all Muslims all he wants. And I'm allowed to call him an idiot for saying such a thing.

That is NOT censorship. That is merely a response to what someone said. People are allowed to criticize others' views, just as the people they're criticizing are allowed to express them. If someone disagrees with me politically, they have every right to say so. What is so hard to understand about that concept?

And if someone really does think they're so in the right with what they believe and say, then why would they bother to "self-censor" or "be afraid to express their views"? They should be able to stand by what they believe and say and continue to spout those views, no problem, right? If they personally choose to remain quiet to avoid confrontation, however, that's not other people's fault.

One other thing people in the U.S., at least, really need to understand is that the First Amendment states that the federal government cannot restrict free speech (and even then, correct me if I'm wrong, but might there be a few caveats to that, too?). Individual businesses and organizations, however, may work differently in that regard. And iron horse's article was from Britain, so I don't know how they handle the free speech issue there in comparison to us.
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This state lawmaker is trying to prevent students from being able to speak out, protest, and strike against injustice on campus. But it's the left wing who's trying to restrict speech.


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I agree about the progressive left being the ones who are trying to restrict speech in our Western culture.

I know there are far right fringe groups who would love to do the same thing, but they are not the ones in charge of the propaganda we are seeing.

Our society is slowly becoming "Orwellian" without even knowing what "Orwellian" means.
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I agree about the progressive left being the ones who are trying to restrict speech in our Western culture.

I know there are far right fringe groups who would love to do the same thing, but they are not the ones in charge of the propaganda we are seeing.

Our society is slowly becoming "Orwellian" without even knowing what "Orwellian" means.
Missed the tone of his post there, mate.
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I agree about the progressive left being the ones who are trying to restrict speech in our Western culture.

I know there are far right fringe groups who would love to do the same thing, but they are not the ones in charge of the propaganda we are seeing.

Our society is slowly becoming "Orwellian" without even knowing what "Orwellian" means.
You being a teacher frightens me. I'm genuinely concerned about your students.
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You being a teacher frightens me. I'm genuinely concerned about your students.

What have I said that is frightening?
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I agree about the progressive left being the ones who are trying to restrict speech in our Western culture.



I know there are far right fringe groups who would love to do the same thing, but they are not the ones in charge of the propaganda we are seeing.



Our society is slowly becoming "Orwellian" without even knowing what "Orwellian" means.

Yeah you missed the tone. The point was that people on the right wing are actively trying to pass laws that infringe on free speech. The left isn't doing that. Criticizing speech and passing laws are two completely different things.


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What have I said that is frightening?

What's frightening? That you are so entrenched in the far right that you often turn a blind eye, you sweep under the rug, and now you're completely turning off the ability to apply 3rd grade reading comprehension.


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