Polish prez Lech Kaczynski dies in plane crash - Page 2

Vlad n U 2 · 04-10-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bathiu

the place is in the middle of nowhere, with no "real" airport and not that many alternative ways of traveling there.
many more "of the top brass" traveled there by train or car the day before, but that's also not easy since they had to travel trough Belarus where with Lukashenko as the prezident there's alot of diplomatic tension between our countries...

And the aircraft being used was a Soviet Tu-154 or something like that.

I guess the outcome would've been different if the plane had decided to land in Minsk as the air traffic controllers advised them to.

Vlad n U 2 · 04-10-2010, 10:50 PM

Tomorrow (April 12) will be a national day of mourning in Russia.

A stor · 04-12-2010, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathiu

the place is in the middle of nowhere, with no "real" airport and not that many alternative ways of traveling there.
many more "of the top brass" traveled there by train or car the day before, but that's also not easy since they had to travel trough Belarus where with Lukashenko as the prezident there's alot of diplomatic tension between our countries...

I am also sorry for your country's tragic loss.

dazzlingamy · 04-12-2010, 01:55 PM

what a tragedy! something i'd like to read more about is why the pilots ignored the towers repeated messages not to land, especially since they'd tried twice before with no luck.
I feel for the president's daughter lost both her father and mother to it

Vincent Vega · 04-12-2010, 01:59 PM

The voice recorders will hopefully help to find out more what happened in the cockpit before.

deep · 04-12-2010, 02:05 PM

When this happened, I thought about all the ramifications, could this have been more than an accident?

who is benefited by the aftermath?

but, as more time goes by, I am thinking it was an accident.

Vincent Vega · 04-12-2010, 02:12 PM

So far there have not been any signs whatsoever of anything else but an accident, but of course creative minds are already at work. Not even that difficult, considering the surroundings.
I don't think it was in any way planned.

deep · 04-12-2010, 02:33 PM

Yeah, I can't see where this plane full of Pols was any threat to Putin, Russia.
Also, any blow back would not be worth the gain.

Why did Russia not want the plane to land in Russia? Can't imagine there was anything at the airport they did not want them to see. The whole world is there now. I think it was just the heavy fog, that caused the plane to hit the top of the trees.

The pilot, assumed he could get this landing done, ok. Did not want to have a plane full of Pols in the wrong country for the memorial.

Many planes land in blinding fog everyday.

financeguy · 04-12-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

When this happened, I thought about all the ramifications, could this have been more than an accident?

who is benefited by the aftermath?

but, as more time goes by, I am thinking it was an accident.

On mature recollection, you're probably right.

Vlad n U 2 · 04-12-2010, 10:38 PM

Interestingly enough, this sort of accident could bring both countries closer to each other, relations wise.

deep · 04-13-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Interestingly enough, this sort of accident could bring both countries closer to each other, relations wise.

that sounds like this could be an advantage for Russia

and then there is this

Leck Kaczynski: 'Russia engineered plane crash,' claims Polish MP

Vlad n U 2 · 04-14-2010, 12:38 AM

To be honest, I'm tired of these sort of Russophobic articles (like the one you posted). Although, these articles are always going to be inevitable.

Irvine511 · 04-14-2010, 09:36 AM

i suppose one of the mildly positive things to come out of this is that there might be a warming, so to speak, or something of a reconciliation, between Poland and Russia. which is inspiring.

this accident caused me to do a small amount of reading on the Katyn Massacre, and Russian/Polish history from the 1930s onward, as well as what happened to Poland during WW2. revisiting that history was shocking as the magnitude of suffering in Poland from 1939-1947 (and onward) is absolutely unspeakable. the country lost 20% of it's population in that war.

anyway, long story short, Poland is an inspiration. if nothing else, perhaps this crash can remind us all of how far Poland -- and Europe, and even Russia -- has come over the past 60 years.

Vlad n U 2 · 04-14-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

i suppose one of the mildly positive things to come out of this is that there might be a warming, so to speak, or something of a reconciliation, between Poland and Russia. which is inspiring.

this accident caused me to do a small amount of reading on the Katyn Massacre, and Russian/Polish history from the 1930s onward, as well as what happened to Poland during WW2. revisiting that history was shocking as the magnitude of suffering in Poland from 1939-1947 (and onward) is absolutely unspeakable. the country lost 20% of it's population in that war.

anyway, long story short, Poland is an inspiration. if nothing else, perhaps this crash can remind us all of how far Poland -- and Europe, and even Russia -- has come over the past 60 years.

If I recall correctly, Belarus lost about 30% of its population then. But gee, those are staggering numbers.

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dazzlingamy Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The city of blinding lights and amazing coffee - Melbourne. Posts: 2,468 Local Time: 06:34 AM	what a tragedy! something i'd like to read more about is why the pilots ignored the towers repeated messages not to land, especially since they'd tried twice before with no luck. I feel for the president's daughter lost both her father and mother to it

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Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,618 Local Time: 08:34 PM	The voice recorders will hopefully help to find out more what happened in the cockpit before.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,507 Local Time: 12:34 PM	When this happened, I thought about all the ramifications, could this have been more than an accident? who is benefited by the aftermath? but, as more time goes by, I am thinking it was an accident.

04-12-2010, 02:12 PM	#22
Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,618 Local Time: 08:34 PM	So far there have not been any signs whatsoever of anything else but an accident, but of course creative minds are already at work. Not even that difficult, considering the surroundings. I don't think it was in any way planned.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,507 Local Time: 12:34 PM	Yeah, I can't see where this plane full of Pols was any threat to Putin, Russia. Also, any blow back would not be worth the gain. Why did Russia not want the plane to land in Russia? Can't imagine there was anything at the airport they did not want them to see. The whole world is there now. I think it was just the heavy fog, that caused the plane to hit the top of the trees. The pilot, assumed he could get this landing done, ok. Did not want to have a plane full of Pols in the wrong country for the memorial. Many planes land in blinding fog everyday.

04-12-2010, 10:38 PM	#25
Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,078 Local Time: 06:04 AM	Interestingly enough, this sort of accident could bring both countries closer to each other, relations wise.

04-14-2010, 12:38 AM	#27
Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,078 Local Time: 06:04 AM	To be honest, I'm tired of these sort of Russophobic articles (like the one you posted). Although, these articles are always going to be inevitable.

04-14-2010, 09:36 AM	#28
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 31,365 Local Time: 02:34 PM	i suppose one of the mildly positive things to come out of this is that there might be a warming, so to speak, or something of a reconciliation, between Poland and Russia. which is inspiring. this accident caused me to do a small amount of reading on the Katyn Massacre, and Russian/Polish history from the 1930s onward, as well as what happened to Poland during WW2. revisiting that history was shocking as the magnitude of suffering in Poland from 1939-1947 (and onward) is absolutely unspeakable. the country lost 20% of it's population in that war. anyway, long story short, Poland is an inspiration. if nothing else, perhaps this crash can remind us all of how far Poland -- and Europe, and even Russia -- has come over the past 60 years.