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Old 02-22-2011, 10:09 AM   #1
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Pirates?!?!

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The four American being held by Somali pirates have been killed, according to CBS News. Over a dozen pirates were onboard, with some reportedly killed and some captured.

NBC News has confirmed the deaths as well.

This is a developing story.
Somalia Pirates Kill Four Hostage Americans: Reports


I only can imagine this will get worse and worse. I don't know if or how many other Americans have been killed by the Indian Ocean pirates so far, but I know many other Europeans have been attacked and killed.

I've read the pirates are active around Somalia's coast and the Straits of Malacca by Indonesia, and to a lesser extent the south Caribbean and the Philippines.
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Not a safe place to be boating.

Very sad about the four Americans killed and the past victims.

If I heard it right on the radio this afternoon, the pirates still hold thirty ships hostage.
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Apart from the thirty ships, they still have about 600 individuals held as hostages.

I don't understand why they kill these people seeing that they won't collect any ransom once they're dead. Isn't the purpose of the ransom to receive x-amount and then release the hostages?
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Apart from the thirty ships, they still have about 600 individuals held as hostages.

I don't understand why they kill these people seeing that they won't collect any ransom once they're dead. Isn't the purpose of the ransom to receive x-amount and then release the hostages?

I don't know.

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Apart from the thirty ships, they still have about 600 individuals held as hostages.

I don't understand why they kill these people seeing that they won't collect any ransom once they're dead. Isn't the purpose of the ransom to receive x-amount and then release the hostages?
I'm curious about the report that 2 of the pirates were dead when the SEALs (or whoever) got on the boat and found the Americans. I'd guess there was some disagreement among the pirates.
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BTW--

The U.S. Navy has taken pirates and coastal water action seriously to the point of getting a new class of ships built:

The Littoral Combat Ship | LCS

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Danish Family's Sailboat Hijacked In Indian Ocean

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COPENHAGEN, Denmark — Pirates have hijacked a Danish sailboat with four adults and three children aboard as they were crossing the Indian Ocean, Denmark's government said Monday.

Most hostages captured in the pirate-infested waters off East Africa are professional sailors, not families. Pirates are not known to have captured children before.

The Danish Foreign Ministry said the ship sent a distress signal on Thursday. On board was a Danish couple, their three children – aged 12-16 – and two adult crew members, also Danes.
NPR also said today that this is the first time that children have been taken as hostages by pirates. I don't know if that's true. And, I don't know if we are just getting more reporting about this temporarily since the 4 Americans were killed.
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Oh, my god. How terrifying.

Most of the time children aren't making that sort of trip, so I can believe that this may be the first time. But I wouldn't be surprised if we found out otherwise, given how ruthless these pirates seem to be sometimes.

Really scary either way. I hope the hostages all manage to be rescued.

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NPR also said today that this is the first time that children have been taken as hostages by pirates. I don't know if that's true. And, I don't know if we are just getting more reporting about this temporarily since the 4 Americans were killed.
Over the last couple months reporting about the issue has gone down here as well. Only three kinds of cases get still reported: It's a German ship, or German crew, crew members or pirates have been killed during a rescue operation, or it's a yacht instead of a freight ship.

In the latter case, I really don't know what people are thinking who are still sailing these waters. Especially, if you are with your children. It's not really a new phenomenon that yachts have been taken capture, and it's also very well known, or should be at least if you plan such a trip, that the pirates have increased their territory.
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In the latter case, I really don't know what people are thinking who are still sailing these waters. Especially, if you are with your children. It's not really a new phenomenon that yachts have been taken capture, and it's also very well known, or should be at least if you plan such a trip, that the pirates have increased their territory.
It's too bad that that is the case, but really, if you park in a shitty part of town would you be that surprised if your car was broken into or stolen? It is a common sense thing.

I don't know what the various navy ships are doing to prevent piracy other than by their presence and by escorting ships. I don't know if they are able to board suspected pirate boats and seize weapons and such.
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That is an interesting question. In the beginning the problem was pretty much, that the pirates' boats were too small and too fast to really being caught randomly. The navy ships, even with all the equipment and satellites and whatnot, usually learned of their whereabouts when a vessel called mayday, so they could send helicopters. Then they started to systematically escort ships. But the pirates increased their territory, and coordination wasn't always perfect. Also, some vessels did not wait for another escort to be scheduled and still sailed on their own.
Now the pirates even use at least one captured tanker as a mother ship, thus greatly increasing their territory again. That's why some ships have been captured that are way further out. This mother ship should be easier to locate and navy vessels should be able to catch up with it. But I guess that the tankers' crew is still on board, so an attack would be dangerous.
Legal issues are a good question. I don't know the legal details of the operation. Also, it's Navies of several countries involved, I think it's a mixture of NATO and UN mandates, it's international waters etc.
The complicated legal issues that go along with it can currently be observed here in Germany. Last year a number of pirates have been captured by the Dutch Navy while attempting to kidnap a German vessel. This was the first time that pirates have actually been taken prisoner. The question then was, who has legal responsibility over them? It immediately became clear that it cannot be the Somalian state, as this does not exist. Also, a trial would be unrealistic, or, could result in death sentences. Neither Germany nor the Netherlands extradite prisoners when they possible face capital punishment.
So they had three options: Releasing them, bring them to court in the Netherlands, or bring them to court in Germany. In the end they decided for Germany, and the trial is now in Hamburg.
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I don't understand why they kill these people seeing that they won't collect any ransom once they're dead. Isn't the purpose of the ransom to receive x-amount and then release the hostages?
Spite, perhaps. Also, if they kill them and get away, their demands will be taken more seriously next time. At the very least, killing them assures that other pirates demands will be taken more seriously, regardless of what happens to these pirates in particular; taking one for the team, so to speak.

I saw a great show on Discovery Channel a couple years ago about a pirate ship taking a small craft hostage. The Navy intercepted them, keeping them from returning to shore. When the effects of seasickness and hunger began taking their toll after many days, the pirates agreed to tether the boat to the Navy vessel to keep from drifting away. Little did they know that over the course of a few hours, the winch tethering the boats was slowly pulling the captive boat closer to the Navy vessel until it was within sniper range (200 yards or something like that). 3 sharp shooters were positioned at the back of the Navy ship, out of view of the pirates. Each sniper took one of the three pirates left as their target and waited hours until all three were in a position to fire. When all three pirates were visible to all three snipers, they fired simultaneously and killed them. Keep in mind, not only were the pirates moving about the boat, but the snipers had to contend with the waves moving the boat about at the same time and they all needed headshots for a sure kill. Really impressive
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I saw a great show on Discovery Channel a couple years ago about a pirate ship taking a small craft hostage. The Navy intercepted them, keeping them from returning to shore. When the effects of seasickness and hunger began taking their toll after many days, the pirates agreed to tether the boat to the Navy vessel to keep from drifting away. Little did they know that over the course of a few hours, the winch tethering the boats was slowly pulling the captive boat closer to the Navy vessel until it was within sniper range (200 yards or something like that). 3 sharp shooters were positioned at the back of the Navy ship, out of view of the pirates. Each sniper took one of the three pirates left as their target and waited hours until all three were in a position to fire. When all three pirates were visible to all three snipers, they fired simultaneously and killed them. Keep in mind, not only were the pirates moving about the boat, but the snipers had to contend with the waves moving the boat about at the same time and they all needed headshots for a sure kill. Really impressive
I've seen that show, too. Very interesting.
The history of marines as accurate shooters is fascinating since it comes from them being on-deck or up in the yards/etc. of the tall ships and picking off the officers and cannon operators on enemy ships.
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Any news (or better yet, pictures) of the saucy wenches with whom these pirates no doubt consort?
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