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Old 04-04-2012, 08:26 PM   #91
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Seriously. What the hell is the deal with that? How does that not scream, "BEYOND CREEPY" to more people?

Also, these stories clearly show that there are an awful lot of people who either missed out on sex ed in school, or are a perfect argument of why we desperately need to have more sex ed in school.
Seriously...maybe TMI but as I was reading that article it struck me that I don't even know my own cycle. My Dr. always asks about it, when was the most recent dates, bla bla bla and I never know what to say. I just don't really keep track of "stuff" like that, doesn't really matter to me. If some creeper congressperson wants to keep track for me they're welcome to but I've got too much to keep track of already.
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Same here.

Not to mention, there are women out there who, for whatever reason, be it diet or health issues or whatever, have very, very irregular cycles. It's not always as easy to "time" those things as people think, that stuff varies greatly from woman to woman and there's all sorts of factors as to why.

But no, don't bother studying up on those facts or anything, politicians. Facts get in the way of your bizarre policy ideas, and we can't have that!
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Due to those reasons you mentioned and even more so because of Rx I don't think I know anyone who DOES have a regular cycle.
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Seriously...maybe TMI but as I was reading that article it struck me that I don't even know my own cycle. My Dr. always asks about it, when was the most recent dates, bla bla bla and I never know what to say. I just don't really keep track of "stuff" like that, doesn't really matter to me. If some creeper congressperson wants to keep track for me they're welcome to but I've got too much to keep track of already.
agreed. also tmi, but i only know what to tell them if i'm "lucky" enough to be on my cycle when i'm at the doctor. even then i have to stop and think "did i start on saturday? or was it sunday?"

it's not that i don't pay attention, but i sure as hell wouldn't know if i were a day late. i'm on the pill and i know that when i get to a certain part of my monthly pack, i should get my period. i mean, it's not the same freaking day every month. so if i were to ever get past that section and nothing happened, then i'd freak out. but it's rather unsettling that a total stranger, and a man no less (i'm not sexist but only one man should care about this, my boyfriend. my doctor's female.) is so obsessed about this. it's like some hyper version of an overprotective father. just this is far, far worse because at least the father was just doing it when their daughter was 16. these congressmen want to do it to women who are 16, 25, 32, 48, etc. i'm a grown woman and it's none of their business, and i don't see how this obsession helps make the government smaller.
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I'm just glad caterpillars don't menstruate. I'm assuming they don't, but maybe after they're finished worrying about when all of us do the Republicans can do some studies on that.

Priebus Says Gender Battle Fictional as Caterpillar War - Bloomberg

If the Democrats said we had a war on caterpillars and every mainstream media outlet talked about the fact that Republicans have a war on caterpillars, then we’d have problems with caterpillars,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” airing this weekend. “It’s a fiction.”


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Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) spoke out forcefully in favor of reproductive rights on Wednesday in Homer, Alaska, as many in her party have sought to restrict them.

"It makes no sense to make this attack on women," she said at a local Chamber of Commerce luncheon, according to the Homer News. "If you don't feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters."

She also said that she would continue to support funding for Planned Parenthood, adding that the courts have affirmed a legal right to an abortion and she stands by that.

Murkowski criticized GOP presidential candidates for not condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," which he later apologized for. Fluke was rejected as a witness before a panel on the Obama contraception mandate chaired by House Oversight And Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) last February. (She spoke Thursday to HuffPost in a Q&A.)

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said.

Mitt Romney, whom she endorsed, said "it’s not the language I would have used." Rick Santorum called his comments "absurd." Newt Gingrich said that Limbaugh was right to apologize.

Murkowski, however, voted for the failed Blunt Amendment last month along with all but one Republican, which would have allowed employers to refuse to cover contraception or any other health service for moral reasons. She later said she regretted her vote and wouldn't do it again if she had the chance.
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If the Democrats said we had a war on caterpillars and every mainstream media outlet talked about the fact that Republicans have a war on caterpillars, then we’d have problems with caterpillars,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” airing this weekend. “It’s a fiction.”
Um...yeah...that's a logical analogy, sure .

Maybe "war" isn't the proper word to use, but I don't see anyone trying to restrict male sexual activity at all. I don't see laws being put in place that dictate when men can impregnate women, or denying them coverage for protection or pills for any sexual issues they're dealing with. Men can sleep around with whomever they wish and get as many girls pregnant and the worst they'll get is the occasional "Yeah, they shouldn't do that." from a few critical people out there. They don't get the male equivalent of "slut shamed", nobody thinks their lives are "ruined" as a result of sleeping around.

Nope, so far it just seems us women are the ones who are expected to only have sex when others dictate we can. And how we handle our monthly cycles, or our pregnancies-things men will NEVER have to deal with firsthand-is apparently everybody else's business now. If we want to get birth control somehow we're failing in our womanly duties to get pregnant and we're trying to take control of our sexual activity, and we can't have that!

So yeah. It does kind of make us women wonder what exactly the deal is. We have an economy that is still recovering that the Republicans swore up and down they'd try and "fix", we have foreign policy issues that we should probably focus on, there are people starving and dying for no reason at all, health care is still something that needs to be dealt with.

But no. Let's spend our lawmaking time obsessing over whether or not women want birth control covered on their insurance and whether it offends someone's precious religious sensiblities to do so.

Shut up, Priebus.

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"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said.
Thank you. The responses they did give were halfhearted criticism at best, and Gingrich only said his after he got attacked because he originally said, "We have more important things to worry about than Rush."

Again, we're not hearing the sort of nasty comments Rush made about Fluke targeted at men.
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agreed. also tmi, but i only know what to tell them if i'm "lucky" enough to be on my cycle when i'm at the doctor. even then i have to stop and think "did i start on saturday? or was it sunday?"
why bother thinking what day you started? My usual response if I'm 'lucky' like you is to say "well i've got it now, so does that answer your question?"

aww crap, when did I start? Oh yeah, I forgot. Seriously, unless a woman is super organized (or keeps track of such things religiously), when asked that question at the doctor (or hospital as I'm so frequently in the ER), I generally get the blank stare and go "I don't remember", then when they ask if there's a chance I could be pregnant (which is at times a valid question, especially if they're doing rads or giving particular meds), my usual response is "run a test to find out, but it'll be a miracle if I was".

But, since there's lots of medications out there that can affect pregnancy, and unless you read the side effects to every medication (something I sure as hell don't because I'm on so many at a particular time, ranging from narcotic pain medications, to thyroid, anti-depressants, blood pressure, diuretics for kidney issues and other stuff, I'm sure one or more of the medications I'm on could potentially cause either a miscarriage or defect.

Does that mean I can blame the Doctor if I were to become pregnant and then miscarry because of a medication? Not to mention, there's a high percentage of pregnancies that occur and then miscarry without the woman actually knowing she's pregnant.

Bodies are a strange thing. No one woman is perfect, and I'd be hard pressed to find a woman that is regularly 28 days (without the influence of birth control or external sources such as medication) EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Since stress can delay, medications can delay, blah blah blah. Heck, even animals are never regular, and last time I checked, we are technically part of the animal kingdom (and I know some people that are a little closer to the animal side rather than the human side )

Besides, what about the women that require birth control for other reasons? Acne, endometriosis (which can be a cause of miscarriages), PCOS etc? Are we to blame if we miscarry because we have endometriosis, PCOS or ovarian cysts? I'd love to stay absolutely stress free also, but that'll never happen
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Also, tmi. . ..

My wife never knows when hers is. I'm the one who keeps track! Not intentionally. . .I just happen to have a really good memory and a thing for dates and times.
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Also, tmi. . ..

My wife never knows when hers is. I'm the one who keeps track! Not intentionally. . .I just happen to have a really good memory and a thing for dates and times.
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This Indiana case, which has made some appearances in national news, could be interesting in light of the January SCOTUS ruling which upheld the "ministerial exception" to job discrimination protections, while declining to define who is and isn't a "minister" in the eyes of the law.


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The Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend released a statement Wednesday asserting its right as a religious employer “to make religious based decisions consistent with its religious standards on an impartial basis” in light of a discrimination lawsuit filed against the diocese by a former teacher.

Emily Herx had taught literature and language arts at St. Vincent de Paul Catholic School since 2003. She alleges the diocese discriminated against her and violated her civil rights when she was fired because of her decision to undergo in vitro fertilization (IVF), according to the lawsuit filed in federal court April 19.
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According to the lawsuit, Herx had always been up-front and honest with the school's principal, Sandra Guffey, about her procedures. Herx suffers from a diagnosed medical condition that causes infertility. In 2008, Herx informed Guffey that she and her husband were considering fertility treatment, to which Guffey replied, “You are in my prayers,” according to the lawsuit. Infertility is considered a disability under the American Disabilities Act, according to the lawsuit.

In 2010, Herx asked to schedule sick days to undergo her first round of IVF. “At no point throughout the couple's first round of IVF did Guffey object, alert Herx to any Catholic teachings or doctrine that might be implicated, or take any disciplinary action against Herx,” according to the lawsuit. It wasn't until a year later when Herx requested sick days for her second round of IVF that Guffey asked Herx to meet with St. Vincent de Paul church leader Rev. John Kuzmich. Kuzmich told Herx that another teacher had complained about her undergoing IVF. He told Herx he feared if word spread about her IVF treatments, a “scandal” would ensue. At this meeting, Herx asked if her job was in jeopardy, to which Kuzmich responded that he “had to do more research and discuss the situation with others as he did not know much about this.”

After being notified the diocese would not renew her contract, Herx asked to meet with Guffey and Beth Kleber, the school's assistant principal, along with Herx's father, who is an attorney, and requested that the school reconsider her employment. Her request was denied. Herx than made the same request to Kuzmich, who told her she was a “grave, immoral sinner” and reiterated that the situation would cause a “scandal” if anyone found out a teacher at St. Vincent had undergone IVF. In this meeting, Kuzmich confirmed that Herx's firing had nothing to do with her performance as a teacher, as she was an excellent teacher, according to the lawsuit.

Bishop Rhoades also denied Herx's request to reconsider her contract renewal, stating that “IVF is an intrinsic evil, which means that no circumstances can justify it.” An appeal to the bishop was the final step in the process for Herx.
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Herx alleges in the lawsuit that she was treated differently than other school employees such as Guffey, who is divorced, and other male teachers who have used contraceptives and received medical treatments, including vasectomies. The diocese's self-funded health insurance plan also covered Herx's visits to the fertility doctor and anesthesia services associated with IVF procedures, according to the lawsuit.

Herx, who received a bachelor's degree from Ball State University and holds a teaching license from Taylor University, was never required to take a religion class or to complete any training or education in the Catholic faith as a condition of employment, according to the lawsuit. But in its statement, the diocese said it “has clear policies requiring that teachers in its schools must, as a condition of employment, have knowledge of and respect for the Catholic faith and abide by the tenets of the Catholic Church.”
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Included in the diocese's statement was the Catholic Church's stance on IVF: "The Church promotes treatment of infertility through means that respect the right to life, the unity of marriage and procreation brought about as the fruit of the conjugal act." The statement cited IVF as a process that goes against the Catholic teaching that every embryo has the right to life. "The process of IVF very frequently involves the deliberate destruction of embryos or the freezing of embryos, which the church holds to be incompatible with the respects owed to human life."

According to the lawsuit, Herx told Guffey and Kuzmich in their initial meetings that during the actual course of her medical treatment, neither Herx nor her doctor destroyed a single embryo.


The statement continues to say that it is morally unacceptable to separate procreation from the conjugal act, insisting procreation not be reduced simply to reproduction.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:30 AM   #102
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How did they even know she was doing IVF? It sounds like she told them when she needed sick days? I would have kept my mouth shut. It's a medical procedure/decision so they have no right to know anything about it other than what she voluntarily tells them, no? I work for a private school as well and we fire/not hire people for a lot of reasons that in the public sector would be discriminatory but my employer has no right and no basis for disciplining me based on my medical history. If we need to be out for any sort of medical procedure (even just a dental exam or yearly physical) we jokingly call it a "HIPAA event" and that's all anyone needs to know.
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She isn't Catholic, so I'm guessing she didn't realize that IVF treatments for married couples violate Catholic doctrine.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #104
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Whoops. So they will let her teach if she's not Catholic but fire her for IVF? I don't follow...

When we have kids, Phil will probably have to find a new job, as we can't afford (and just don't want to) abide by the requirements of his contract as far as where they can go to church/school.
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Yeah, it's quite common for non-Catholics to teach at Catholic schools (just not religion classes), but, as the article mentions, their contracts do contain clauses to the effect that teachers must 'show knowledge of and respect for Catholic teaching,' act as 'moral exemplars' etc. (Though they're given no training in how to accomplish that.) Since her contract had such a clause, that *might* be sufficient CYA for the school--depends on how you interpret 'knowledge,' I guess; it's not like even lifelong Catholics have the catechism memorized, and while I'm sure any Catholic would realize that piping up about your IVF is a no-no, it wouldn't surprise me if many non-Catholics sincerely have no idea that even straight married couples can't use IVF according to the Church.
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