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Old 11-12-2011, 02:53 AM   #31
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:32 AM   #32
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"fertilized human egg to be a legal person"


If it is not a human being, then what is it?
A pre-blastocyst embryo.



What is a cluster of cells that has hair and teeth?

A person or a tumor?
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:29 AM   #33
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What is a fertilized egg that never implants in the uterine wall?


God's abortion.
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"fertilized human egg to be a legal person"


If it is not a human being, then what is it?
I do believe it is a fertilized human egg.
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:10 PM   #36
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if it was a person, it would be entitled to representation according to the U S Constitution, every 10 years there is a national census for the counting of every person in the country.
From this national census, the U S Congress is reapportioned and the number of Congressional Districts per state are set.
A state may gain or lose seats in congress based on the total number of persons in their state.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:55 AM   #37
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Oklahoma could become the first state to give individual rights to an embryo from the moment of conception. The state Senate, with a Republican majority, voted 34-8 Wednesday to approve a so-called personhood bill, which some say is an attempt to outlaw or restrict abortion rights. The legislation now moves to the state House, which is also controlled by Republicans. Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, has not publicly said whether she will sign the bill, but last year she signed into law a series of bills aimed at restricting the reproductive health choices of women. As written, the new bill defines an unborn child as having “the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents” from the “moment of conception until birth at every stage of biological development.”

Personhood USA, an antiabortion organization in Arvada, CO, has been leading state efforts to get a personhood bill made into law. Last year it was behind a similar referendum in Mississippi that eventually failed. In almost every other state, it has launched petition drives for personhood amendments. These efforts are part of a wider strategy to get the US Supreme Court to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion...In 2011, more than 1,100 such pieces of legislation were introduced in the 50 states–-a 17% increase from the 950 introduced the previous year. Of this proposed legislation, 135 laws were enacted in 36 states, a 52% increase from 89 in 2010.

Oklahoma state Sen. Brian Crain (R), who sponsored the current bill, said its passage is not about blocking access to contraception or preventing stem-cell research, and he added that it is not designed to ban abortion. “The unborn have no voice of their own,” Senator Crain told the Tulsa World Thursday. Ms. Nash sees it differently. This legislation, she says, is a “backdoor approach to banning abortion, contraception, and some forms of infertility treatment,” based on the language surrounding the issue in other states. “To say that it isn’t about those things is a little odd,” she adds. The Oklahoma Coalition for Reproductive Justice and the Oklahoma State Medical Association are both in opposition to the legislation, saying that defining a fertilized egg or an embryo as a person will jeopardize the doctor-patient relationship, because doctors fearing potential prosecution will discontinue performing in vitro fertilization procedures.
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Oklahoma state Sen. Brian Crain (R), who sponsored the current bill, said its passage is not about blocking access to contraception or preventing stem-cell research, and he added that it is not designed to ban abortion.
See, he says that, but then...

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“The unborn have no voice of their own,” Senator Crain told the Tulsa World Thursday.
Generally when that statement comes up, anti-abortion action of some sort is usually right around the corner.

By the way, that would be a "no DUH" statement, wouldn't it? Being unborn, by its very definition, does kind of makes it awfully hard for you to, you know, have a voice. Or make it hard for you to do anything other than continue to form into a being.
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Aren't you glad your mom did not abort you?
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Aren't you glad the government does not have a say over what I do with my uterus?

Or do I not understand what a libertarian is?
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Aren't you glad your mom did not abort you?

I'm glad my mother had access to safe birth control so she and my father could be married for 7 years and wait until they were emotionally and financially prepared to have children.
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Aren't you glad the government does not have a say over what I do with my uterus?

Or do I not understand what a libertarian is?


I will say that individuals should be responsible for their actions.

It is wrong to kill the innocent.
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So you aren't a libertarian then.

It's fine -- just be honest about it.

I mean, you seem to think gay people are sinners and not entitled to full personhood status So it's not like you have much of a track record to defend.
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So you aren't a libertarian then.

It's fine -- just be honest about it.

I mean, you seem to think gay people are sinners and not entitled to full personhood status So it's not like you have much of a track record to defend.



Why don't you be honest?

Please post a statement by me about anything I have said
about gay people?
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You've said, several times, that you think being gay is a sin, and threw the line "the world only sins forward" at me when my signature was "the world only spins forward" which is from Angels in America.

My point is not to make this about gay people. My point is that you are libertarian when it comes to your likes -- smoking, drinking, fatty food -- but not when it comes to things you dislike.

Being a libertarian involves tolerating even things you don't morally approve of. You are perfectly free to think gay people are sinners. Many libertarians likely do. But real libertarians realize that their prejudices alone are not grounds to deny people rights, including the right of a woman to choose when she does and does not have a child. As a libertarian, it's perfectly valid to hold the position that abortion kills an innocent life. But a libertarian would admit that this is an opinion, and this would never presume to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her womb.
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