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Old 03-27-2013, 06:37 PM   #376
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A heartbeat? How completely arbitrary. Perhaps you'd like to explain to the class what the significance of a heartbeat is? And also explain to us how the development of a heart beat is any different than the development of eyeballs. Please leave any appeals to emotion out of your answer
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:41 PM   #377
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dammit, Dalton, I didn't think anyone would solve my riddle so quickly. Rumpelstiltskin and his life partner have to give the child back to the straight couple
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A fetus has a heart? That beats? Who knew?


Yes, image a dystopia where a heartbeat might lead one to believe an object is alive and thus due a modicum of moral consideration. An insane world where the neonatal science of 2013 trumps that of 1973. What is going on here?

If you go back a few pages in this thread, you would see we discussed the woman in Ireland who died after a failing pregnancy, in which the fetus' heartbeat was still going. If she had a life-saving abortion, she would've lived. A heartbeat does not mean all is well.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:14 PM   #379
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A heartbeat does not mean all is well.
I don't think this is what Indy was alluding to with his post. Rather, he's talking about the warm and fuzzy feeling we're supposed to get when we realize (because it hadn't occurred to us before) that at fetus is a living thing with a heartbeat. We all know that a heartbeat signifies life and love and we should reconsider our stance on the issue in light of this very insightful information. It's not at all the reasoning of a simpleton
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ban abortions prompted by genetic defects;
Really good to know that women will be forced to carry anencephalitic babies (ie babies born without a brain and essentially without the top of their head who die within hours of being born) to term. Nine months of horror and as an added bonus, if they have children, the whole family gets to be traumatized. Such decisions are best made by the government, not by families in private.

Great to have conservatives around. We wouldn't want the guvmint making personal decisions for anyone.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:32 PM   #381
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I don't think this is what Indy was alluding to with his post. Rather, he's talking about the warm and fuzzy feeling we're supposed to get when we realize (because it hadn't occurred to us before) that at fetus is a living thing with a heartbeat. We all know that a heartbeat signifies life and love and we should reconsider our stance on the issue in light of this very insightful information. It's not at all the reasoning of a simpleton
You're right, JT. I guess I'm too cold to understand how delightful it is to know that a heartbeat means abortion will not be used to save a dying woman.
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On March 14, 2009, 31 weeks into her pregnancy, Nina Buckhalter gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. She named the child Hayley Jade. Two months later, a grand jury in Lamar County, Mississippi, indicted Buckhalter for manslaughter, claiming that the then-29-year-old woman "did willfully, unlawfully, feloniously, kill Hayley Jade Buckhalter, a human being, by culpable negligence."

The district attorney argued that methamphetamine detected in Buckhalter's system caused Hayley Jade's death. The state Supreme Court, which heard oral arguments on the case on April 2, is expected to rule soon on whether the prosecution can move forward.

If prosecutors prevail in this case, the state would be setting a "dangerous precedent" that "unintentional pregnancy loss can be treated as a form of homicide," says Farah Diaz-Tello, a staff attorney with National Advocates for Pregnant Women, a nonprofit legal organization that has joined with Robert McDuff, a Mississippi civil rights lawyer, to defend Buckhalter. If Buckhalter's case goes forward, NAPW fears it could spur a wave of similar prosecutions in Mississippi and other states.

Mississippi Could Soon Jail Women for Stillbirths, Miscarriages | Mother Jones

I'm not sure what to think of this. On one hand, I am appalled that a woman can be charged with manslaughter over the stillbirth or miscarriage of a baby. But if that happened because the woman drank or used drugs right up to the loss of the baby, well then this issue wanders into a gray area. However, if the idea of a woman can be locked up for negligence while pregnant, where does the line get drawn?
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I'm not sure what to think of this. On one hand, I am appalled that a woman can be charged with manslaughter over the stillbirth or miscarriage of a baby. But if that happened because the woman drank or used drugs right up to the loss of the baby, well then this issue wanders into a gray area. However, if the idea of a woman can be locked up for negligence while pregnant, where does the line get drawn?
And that's exactly why it's so baffling to hear conservatives rail against big government / involvement. They are the ones that are so paranoid, yet isn't this a prime example of not being able to trust government to make the right decision??
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I can see some conservative demanding a woman who miscarried to be charged because she flew on an airplane, did too much walking, worked 40 hours a week, etc.
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Where does it end?

Should ever sexually active woman of childbearing age give up alcohol on the day she ovulates and stay sober until the day of her next period? Cigarettes? Prescription medications that could be harmful? What if she doesn't know when she's ovulating?
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If a pregnant woman falls off a bicycle, at the very least she is guilty of attempted manslaughter.
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After Tiller (2013) - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube


there are only 4 "out" doctors in the US who can legally perform a "late term" abortion.

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My gf saw that at Hotdocs this year. Said she was underwhelmed considering the subject matter. But worth a look if you've got any preconceptions about what kind of people seek out late term abortions
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As terrible as the last few years have been for reproductive rights in the United States, growing extremism among antiabortion politicians has resulted in unprecedented awareness of these issues and a groundswell of public support for abortion rights. Wendy Davis’ marathon filibuster, bolstered by her Democratic colleagues and the thousands of Texans who showed up at the Capitol day after day, turned the state’s sweeping new abortion law and Gov. Rick Perry into national symbols for the right’s fixation on policing women’s bodies. The same could be said of Mississippi, Arkansas, North Dakota and elsewhere in the country. As a result of these battles, we now know the names, faces and strategies behind the American antiabortion movement, and that knowledge is a powerful thing.
But there is another threat to women’s access to abortion happening right now, and it is largely missing from how we talk about the war on reproductive rights: The number of doctors who perform abortions in this country has been steadily declining for decades, and medical schools aren’t training enough students to replace them.
“There are a lot of reasons why reproductive healthcare is not well covered in medical school curricula,” Lois Backus, executive director of Medical Students for Choice, tells Salon. “But among the most serious causes is the fact that reproductive health topics are still a source of controversy. Even though abortion is the second most common procedure experienced by women of childbearing age, it is routinely ignored in medical education.”

According to data from the National Abortion Federation, nearly 70 percent of medical students in the United States have received less than 30 minutes of class training about abortion by the time they finish medical school. This disregard for reproductive health education is an experience Dr. Nancy Stanwood, associate professor and section chief of Family Planning at the Yale School of Medicine and board chair of Physicians for Reproductive Health, remembers well. “We spent literally an hour and a half learning about birth control in two years of lectures,” she says. “We spent more time on cochlear implants — an important, but far less common, procedure.”

The problem with this kind of uneven training is that a lack of early exposure to reproductive health issues not only hurts a student’s ability to become, as Stanwood notes, “informed physician citizens,” it also shapes their career choices. It’s far less likely for students to choose a specialization in reproductive health care if it’s not something they’re hearing about during their training.
Social stigma around abortion may drive the marginalization of this training in medical school curricula, but the scarcity of students being trained to perform the procedure is also directly connected to the proliferation of GOP-backed state-level restrictions — on funding, on clinics and on physicians themselves.
New regulations mandated under Texas’ omnibus antiabortion law threaten to shutter all but five of the remaining abortion service providers in the second most populous state in the country. Mississippi is still engaged in a legal battle to keep its last remaining abortion clinic open; the same goes for North Dakota. Nationwide, close to 90 percent of American counties lack an abortion provider, leaving millions of women without meaningful access to reproductive healthcare.
But for a medical student, the absence of providers can also mean the absence of teachers
In Ohio earlier this year, the University of Toledo Medical Center, bowing to pressure from state Republicans and Ohio Right to Life, refused to renew its transfer agreement with two area clinics, the Center for Choice and Capital Care Network. Both clinics closed only months later, leaving women like Carolyn Payne, a medical student at the University of Toledo, and 15 of her colleagues, without anyone to teach them how to perform abortions. As Payne told the Chronicle of Higher Education, she now has to travel an hour outside the city to learn this basic medical procedure.
In Kansas, after a measure attempting to ban public hospitals from providing any and all abortion training failed, the Republican-controlled Legislature passed a slightly modified, though similarly restrictive, version of the bill requiring public hospitals to use private dollars to fund medical residents’ abortion training. Gov. Sam Brownback signed it, along with dozens of other sweeping abortion restrictions, in April. These kinds of barriers leave training available in the most limited of terms, but make it far from accessible.
It’s a national trend with long-term consequences. After all, what does the right to an abortion mean if there are increasingly fewer doctors left to perform the procedure?
But, faced with growing barriers to comprehensive training, medical students across the country have started to fight back. “Students are hungry for this training,” Stanwood says. “We’re witnessing a really important generational shift. More and more medical students want to be equipped to meet these needs, and reform is beginning to happen because students are demanding it. Change is coming from the bottom up rather than the top down.”
Progress has been particularly strong at the residency level. Training opportunities have proliferated in obstetrics-gynecology residency programs and family practice residency programs in large part because of funding from organizations like the Kenneth J. Ryan Residency Program, the continued advocacy of groups Medical Students for Choice and medical students themselves.
But there is still a long way to go. And the stakes couldn’t be higher. “This is a very long-term fight that we’re in,” Backus says. “The medical world is very conservative and resistant to change.” She estimates that with the proliferation of antiabortion legislation, this could be as much as a 50-year fight. “But,” she adds, “we plan to stay in there.”
GOP’s secret anti-choice plot: The shady crackdown on training abortion doctors - Salon.com
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