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Old 08-19-2012, 11:33 PM   #151
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This is one of the few I can think of off the top of my head. Tony Abbott warns women against sex before marriage | The Australian
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:01 AM   #152
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The part where he was asked about his daughters' sexual choices really creeped me out. I get what they were trying to do with that, the whole "Would you say this if it were your own kids?" and whatnot, but still...that's really personal information, people.

And that's what I really don't get about this whole thing. I think everyone can agree at least that when you have sex, it's important to make sure everyone is being safe and healthy about it.

But beyond that, I do NOT understand why people think this is an issue they need to pry into so deeply. What I do with my sex life is my own business. Not yours. If I want to use contraception, I will. If I don't want to wait until I'm married, that is my choice. If I do want to wait, that is my choice. I honestly do not care one way or another what a priest or a politician thinks about my love life, that is absolutely none of their concern. I'd like to think they have more pressing matters to worry about than people's bedroom activities.

Again, I agree with Pearl. We need to get rid of the shame and stigma about this issue. And we get such conflicting messages. It's important to wait until you're married so you can be "pure" enough, but at the same time, once people find out you're a virgin, you get made fun of, or you're seen as a "challenge" instead of a legitimate sex partner, only to pften be discarded afterwards. It's like you can't win either way.

To say nothing of how incredibly creepy the "purity ring/promise" stuff is that some abstinence-only educations try and put in. I have absolutely no problem with discussing abstinence as an option, it's a worthwhile thing to discuss.

But it shouldn't be the ONLY option discussed. I don't want to say we're slaves to our hormones or whatever, I do think people are capable of control and all that. But at the same time, people are going to have sex. It is a natural, normal function. Not everyone wants to wait. Not everyone plans to get married, or even if they do, they may not find that "special person". So to tell people, "Well, just wait until you're married to have sex, and don't use protection, problem solved!" is highly, highly unrealistic and naive and, as has often been shown, doesn't work one bit as legitimate sex education.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:26 AM   #153
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This is one of the few I can think of off the top of my head. Tony Abbott warns women against sex before marriage | The Australian

Thank you for this. At least the U.S. is not the only country with leaders who have unrealistic views on sex and women.

Also, his view that women should see their virginity as a gift to their husbands is misogynist and trumps the belief that women should be serving men's egos at all times.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:28 AM   #154
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While he's reneged since, he wrote in a 70s uni paper that he didn't think women would ever be considered equal to men.
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Just disgusting, not to mention completely ignorant about basic biology.


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August 19, 2012

Senate Candidate Provokes Ire With ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comment

By JOHN ELIGON and MICHAEL SCHWIRTZ

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — In an effort to explain his stance on abortion, Representative Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee from Missouri, provoked ire across the political spectrum on Sunday by saying that in instances of what he called “legitimate rape,” women’s bodies somehow blocked an unwanted pregnancy.

Asked in an interview on a St. Louis television station about his views on abortion, Mr. Akin, a six-term member of Congress who is backed by Tea Party conservatives, made it clear that his opposition to the practice was nearly absolute, even in instances of rape.

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

The comments, made during an interview with KTVI-TV that was posted on Sunday on the station’s Web site, provoked howls of outrage from Democrats and women’s rights organizations. Senator Claire McCaskill, the Democrat who will face Mr. Akin in the November election, immediately took to Twitter with a blunt response. “As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases,” she wrote, “I’m stunned by Rep Akin’s comments about victims this AM.”

Mr. Akin quickly backtracked from his taped comments, saying he “misspoke.”

“In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview, and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” Mr. Akin, who has a background in engineering and is a member of the House science committee, said in a statement. “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life, and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.”

The Republican presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan was quick to distance itself from Mr. Akin’s remarks.

“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement,” the campaign said. “A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:51 AM   #156
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“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
Which doctors told him this, if he actually spoke to any? Did he do any real research, or did he read off the wall blogs and those crappy articles from Yahoo Contributor Network or Suite101?

And what does he mean by legitimate rape? I dare him to explain further.

Ugh, I can go on forever about how much Akin disgusts me.
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Maybe he saw it on You Tube

It just makes me furious that there's even ONE guy like that making decisions about my body and my health and my rights. At least know about basic biology, and who the f are you to decide what legitimate rape is. Is that a trademarked term, legitimate rape?
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Even if it's only for political purposes (no doubt at least some of it is), I still applaud him for it. I don't question at all his feelings about it as a husband and father.

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US Senate Race , Politics
Scott Brown calls on Akin to drop out of Missouri Senate race

By Noah Bierman, Globe Staff

In a rare intra-party rebuke, Senator Scott Brown called on Missouri Representative Todd Akin this morning to withdraw from the US Senate race in his state, after Akin made controversial remarks on rape.

“As a husband and father of two young women, I found Todd Akin’s comments about women and rape outrageous, inappropriate and wrong,” Brown, a fellow Republican, said in a statement. “There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking. Not only should he apologize, but I believe Rep. Akin’s statement was so far out of bounds that he should resign the nomination for US Senate in Missouri.”

Brown may be the first prominent Republican to call for Akin’s resignation from the race.
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I'd like to see Akin resign from the nomination, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he does not. After all, he didn't fully apologize and didn't explain himself thoroughly.

But yes, kudos to Scott Brown.
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Apparently this troglodyte is on the House Science and Technology Committee. The hell? I wonder if his views on the abacus are as progressive as his views on biology.
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This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads
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I'd like to see Akin resign from the nomination

why resign, he is going to win
and replace a woman in the Senate, could be the one that swings the Senate to the GOP.




and Brown's posturing in MA could be enough to eek out a win.
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This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads
I can see why you would say this, though at least speaking personally it does at times bother me that more men don't speak up, not just for women but for peoples' rights in general. I've never really viewed these issues as a women's rights thing but in more general terms of not being comfortable with politicians making medical decisions for me. Man or woman, I don't believe that's the business of politics but of my spouse and our doctors. Yesterday Phil (husband) and I were talking about something and he said something like, "I guess if Romney wins, things probably won't change for us anyway..." and I said, "Maybe not for YOU but they might for me...."
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This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads
I don't think there's any manbashing going on in FYM. I can't speak for all of the female posters here, but I am horrified that there are some men in America who hold such archaic views of women. They're also not just old folks; some young men also have these beliefs. It is also baffling that issues like contraception and what is really rape being discussed openly in this country.

Maybe I'm being too harsh in my reaction to these issues, but I do feel confused and shocked, and even hurt as a woman.
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This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads
I've reread the past few pages and haven't seen much man-spite here in those pages (not that it hasn't appeared some times). If I've missed those posts, please point them out to me and I will reread them. I don't see anti-male as much as it has been anti-asshole and anti-antiquated ideas and anti-pseudo scientific?????utterings that are meant as flimsy cover. And unfortunately, it has often been men making these recent, moronic comments. A little anger at having to fight the same fights over and over again doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Perhaps it does to you.

What would be our proper response in words and tone that would not sound anti-male to you?
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