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Old 06-22-2010, 03:59 PM   #61
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Just out of curiosity, how many of us here in FYM are in the regular habit of "expressing our sexuality"? I'm guessing most of us treat that aspect of ourselves as something at least somewhat more private that we share with certain individuals that we choose, rather than anyone who happens to be passing by (or has a camera). Does that mean we're all a bunch of uptight individuals all shamed by our own sexuality? I doubt it.
I doubt it too. Is it expressing or exploiting?

She says her image has to match up with her music. I think you can sing more mature songs without just letting it all hang out, so to speak. Maybe male singers are allowed to do that more than female singers are.
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:24 PM   #62
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I doubt it too. Is it expressing or exploiting?

She says her image has to match up with her music. I think you can sing more mature songs without just letting it all hang out, so to speak. Maybe male singers are allowed to do that more than female singers are.
Well, I suppose pop music has what some might describe as an inherent sexual aspect to it, but it seems that women artists are expected to express that sexual element in a more pronounced way, I guess.

It seems possible to communicate sex appeal/sexiness/whatever without necessarily revealing a lot of skin.

So would it be fair to say that Miley is expressing her sexuality in ways that we don't because it's her statement as an artist? (I know I addressed sex and sexual issues quite frankly in the draft of the novel I wrote--more so than I would, say speaking as "me.").
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:43 PM   #63
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So would it be fair to say that Miley is expressing her sexuality in ways that we don't because it's her statement as an artist?
It would be nice if she would wait for 5 monthes so it wouldn't be so creepy for anyone older than her to watch her.
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Well, I suppose pop music has what some might describe as an inherent sexual aspect to it, but it seems that women artists are expected to express that sexual element in a more pronounced way, I guess.

It seems possible to communicate sex appeal/sexiness/whatever without necessarily revealing a lot of skin.
It seems true, but when you think about it, it's not necessary. Remember a couple of years ago there was that nice song about milk shakes? That was catchy. People liked it. No one was exploited or led to some sort of sexual element at all. It was about milk shakes! Everyone loves milk shakes. Why can't Miley sing about nice things like milk shakes? Why does it always need to come down to sex?
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It seems true, but when you think about it, it's not necessary. Remember a couple of years ago there was that nice song about milk shakes? That was catchy. People liked it. No one was exploited or led to some sort of sexual element at all. It was about milk shakes! Everyone loves milk shakes. Why can't Miley sing about nice things like milk shakes? Why does it always need to come down to sex?
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My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard...And their like...It's better than yours...Damn right it's better than yours.


Talk about one-hit wonders.

You can tell if an artist is a one-hit wonder when you hear his/her song on the radio and you can't remember or don't know his/her name.

(Does Miley have any hits anyway? I figure that Radio Disney is not the same as Top 40 radio.)
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:32 PM   #67
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Yeah, she's had some big hits.

See You Again (not sure how big that one was, but it's one of the two on my iPod )
Party in the USA (huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge)
The Climb (a ballad, I think it was pretty big)

Those were the songs prior to this new album.
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For the longest time, I thought that line in the Kelis song was, "My milkshake brings all the boys to the yacht". I have no idea why.

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Party in the USA (huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge)
This is not a song you want stuck in your head. Seriously .

MrsSpringsteen, I do think there's a difference between male singers and female singers in terms of sexuality. Guys can get nearly or fully undressed in videos or on stage and sing about overtly sexual things and there's nowhere near the sort of outrage as when a girl does it (and it isn't just to do with age-adult women get criticized often when they're overly sexual in their music). I mean, if we want women to tone it down, fine, but then we gotta do it with the guys, too, don't we? Or, we could just let both sexes be as erotic as they want in their music and change the channel or station or whatever if it really bothers us that much.

Another thing I'd like to point out, too, something I've tended to notice with a lot of these girls...it always seems that the teen pop stars who went on to become more risque, when they first started out, would always talk in interviews about how they were raised in "good Christian homes" with "a strong sense of morals and values", or things of that nature. I'm sure part of that was their PR machine telling them to present the goody-goody image, but it just strikes me funny at how common that seems to be. Britney Spears came from a Christian home, remember? So did Jessica Simpson. Now Miley Cyrus. So every time I read about a new teen girl on the scene who starts in on that stuff, I immediately see her in about 5 years shedding the "good girl" image and becoming more of a "bad girl". Could argue that it's the shaming of sex that sometimes happens in Christian homes or the hypocrisy of some Christians (Jessica's dad's a Christian, and yet look at how creepy some of his quotes about his daughter are...) or whatever that leads these girls to rebel, so to speak, but I just find that interesting.

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Another thing I'd like to point out, too, something I've tended to notice with a lot of these girls...it always seems that the teen pop stars who went on to become more risque, when they first started out, would always talk in interviews about how they were raised in "good Christian homes" with "a strong sense of morals and values", or things of that nature. I'm sure part of that was their PR machine telling them to present the goody-goody image, but it just strikes me funny at how common that seems to be. Britney Spears came from a Christian home, remember? So did Jessica Simpson. Now Miley Cyrus. So every time I read about a new teen girl on the scene who starts in on that stuff, I immediately see her in about 5 years shedding the "good girl" image and becoming more of a "bad girl". Could argue that it's the shaming of sex that sometimes happens in Christian homes or the hypocrisy of some Christians (Jessica's dad's a Christian, and yet look at how creepy some of his quotes about his daughter are...) or whatever that leads these girls to rebel, so to speak, but I just find that interesting.
I think the whole "I'm from a Christian home" thing is purely PR. Britney Spears is the master of PR stunts and Miley Cyrus is gaining on her. As for Jessica Simpson, she always dressed scantily, even during her early days.

I doubt being from a Christian home, or so they say, has anything to do with their image and I really doubt they are rebelling. If you notice, their parents seem to be driven on having their kids being rich and famous (ie, Britney's mom being a driving force early in her career, Jessica's dad managing her and Ashlee's career) and one way to draw attention to yourself is by using sex, because sex does sell. Also, by saying you're from a Christian home creates a virgin-whore complex which Britney used. Meaning, she went around acting all sexed up but insisted that she was saving sex for marriage (we all know that didn't happen, but that's a different story). That draws attention and gets people to talk about them. And for many of these girls, no press is bad press.
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Jessica's dad managing her and Ashlee's career
When it comes to shallow and manufactured pop acts of the last decade or so, Ashlee Simpson is totally underrated. I really like all three of her albums.
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I am going to step up and agree with Gaffer on that. Her last album? Full of pop goodness. Totally took me by surprise.
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