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Old 03-07-2011, 04:40 PM   #16
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But there aren't any texts that show Christ relating back to these type of texts are there?
so? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I assume, then, that he has no regrets about the slaughter of innocent children (an allegory, I'm sure...)
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Well, lets not treat the word "proof" too lightly. I'm doubtful she proves anything. One could probably find any number of books that argue convincingly for more literal interpretations.

At any rate, it would clearly be a good thing if all Christians believed as Ms. Armstrong. Since it appears that Christianity will not go the way of Greek myth anytime soon, the more Christians who embrace allegorical interpretations of the Old Testament the better!
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so? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I assume, then, that he has no regrets about the slaughter of innocent children (an allegory, I'm sure...)
Armstrong is a well known theologian who has written extensively about many religions, not just Christianity. If she made up half of what she published, no one would take her seriously.

But I'm sure you wouldn't accept what I have to say, thanks to your snarky comment in the second quote.
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Armstrong is a well known theologian who has written extensively about many religions, not just Christianity. If she made up half of what she published, no one would take her seriously.

But I'm sure you wouldn't accept what I have to say, thanks to your snarky comment in the second quote.
I'm sorry if that came off snarky, but I guess I thought that the very idea of including the murder of children in some sort of positive allegory to be worthy of at least a little "snarkiness."

Listen, I'll admit that I'm in over my head, and I will not profess to have as good a grasp on the bible as respected theologians. Some things, especially in the old testament, just inflame my emotions.
So, now would probably be a good time for me to back away from this argument.
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so? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I assume, then, that he has no regrets about the slaughter of innocent children (an allegory, I'm sure...)
Well you were making a comment on Christianity, therefore the teachings of Christ... I don't know of anyone that sweeps the stories of genocide and slavery under the rug, but to try and infer that Christianity somehow supports these acts and it's only a "reformation" and an attempt to catch up to modern day ethics that allows us not to support them now is ridiculous. You seem to truly misunderstand the context and relationship between the OT and the NT.
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I'm sorry if that came off snarky, but I guess I thought that the very idea of including the murder of children in some sort of positive allegory to be worthy of at least a little "snarkiness."

Listen, I'll admit that I'm in over my head, and I will not profess to have as good a grasp on the bible as respected theologians. Some things, especially in the old testament, just inflame my emotions.
So, now would probably be a good time for me to back away from this argument.
Apology accepted - really!

This could be a good thread with good discussions if you stick around.
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Well you were making a comment on Christianity, therefore the teachings of Christ... I don't know of anyone that sweeps the stories of genocide and slavery under the rug, but to try and infer that Christianity somehow supports these acts and it's only a "reformation" and an attempt to catch up to modern day ethics that allows us not to support them now is ridiculous. You seem to truly misunderstand the context and relationship between the OT and the NT.
-You could very well be right about that (my misunderstanding)
I was just making the observation that Christ is God incarnate, God professes to never change, and therefore I take it he doesn't experience regret. If he had it all back to do over again, he wouldn't change anything. This isn't something found in the bible, I'm just extrapolating.

-My understanding of the NT/OT relationship is that the NT is supposed to be a sort of new covenant. Out with the old, in with the new.

-My exposure to the bible was in the context of an ultra-conservative Pentecostal upbringing. So, I have no doubt that my grasp of it is crude.
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all that said, things like speaking in tongues and other Jesus Camp-type activity looks completely and utterly bonkers to me as does any pretense to a literal understanding of the Bible.
Fully agreed on that. I don't understand how anyone can possibly view the Bible in a literal sense. Even if there is truth in it (which I do believe there is), there will still be moments of metaphor, symbolism, etc. How do people not get that, not understand that?

I've not seen 'Jesus Camp', but I've heard about it, and it sounds...frightening, to put it mildly.

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so? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I assume, then, that he has no regrets about the slaughter of innocent children (an allegory, I'm sure...)

We don't seem to be too concerned about the slaughter of innocent children.



back to the topic: Pentecostalism

It is a false teaching.
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back to the topic: Pentecostalism

It is a false teaching.
Do you want to even attempt to explain why? Or is this all we get from you? Opinion without facts or discussion...
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back to the topic: Pentecostalism

It is a false teaching.
I agree. I'd also like to throw in every other religion that was ever taught to anyone, ever
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Do you want to even attempt to explain why? Or is this all we get from you? Opinion without facts or discussion...

Here we go:

Speaking in Tongues EXPOSED!


What's your question?
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What denomination are you, Iron Horse?
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What denomination are you, Iron Horse?

I am not a denomination.
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We don't seem to be too concerned about the slaughter of innocent children.


you mean like in war?
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you mean like in war?


I think when we are killing human beings, we can call it a war.
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