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Old 04-10-2009, 03:36 AM   #1
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Paul McGuinness will be sad

A win for civil liberties in France!

i think this surveillance thing is ludicrous and disgusting really! if the film and music industries are so worried about it they should tighten up their own security their end and make their products unstealable - like security tags on real items in real shops - not get spies to follow everyone around the "streets"! big brother!

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French politicians have unexpectedly rejected a bill that would have cut off the internet connections of anyone found to be repeatedly downloading music or videos without paying for them. The legislation would also have led to the creation of the world's first state surveillance system on web pirates.

The fiercely contested bill was rejected today in a sparsely attended vote in the National Assembly.

The bill had been championed by the president, Nicolas Sarkozy, whose wife, the singer Carla Bruni, has long advocated a crackdown on piracy. On Monday, film director Steven Soderbergh urged US authorities to draw inspiration from the French bill in their fight against piracy.

Under the proposed legislation, new powers would have been granted to music and film companies to enable them to monitor internet users and report illegal downloads to a new copyright protection agency.

Anyone found to have broken the law would have been traced via their IP (internet protocol) address and handed up to three warnings before their connection was severed for up to a year. Offenders would have had to keep paying for their internet connection despite it having been cut off.

Despite the approval of the French recording industry and prominent musicians, including Johnny Hallyday, some attacked the measure.

Civil liberties campaigners and members of the Socialist party said the new surveillance powers were tantamount to "the criminalisation of an entire generation".

Others had said it could end up punishing the wrong people, for instance parents whose children download in secret or employers whose staff use computers at work to break the law.

Breaking ranks from many of their artistic colleagues, a group of French directors and actors including Catherine Deneuve issued an open letter of protest this week.

"The law comes in response to legitimate concerns which we all share – concerns that we will see our work devalued and degraded," they wrote. "However this law … is merely imposing a punitive system whose constitutionality is dubious and practicality unclear."
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Plus, how much would all of this cost?
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if the film and music industries are so worried about it they should tighten up their own security their end and make their products unstealable - like security tags on real items in real shops -
This makes no sense.
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thanks for this mama cass. nice find.
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I'm glad to hear this.

And agreed with BVS, that quote is really weird and nonsentical.
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For a second there, I thought they were outlawing the sale of quarter-pounders in Ireland. More specific thread titles, plz.
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I'm glad to hear this.

And agreed with BVS, that quote is really weird and nonsentical.
sorry... yeah that was just some train-of-thought off-the-top-of-my-head gibberish that was

what i meant was, rather than monitoring everyone's internet use, which i think is a breach of civil liberties, can't they just make their own products more secure? like an electronic antitheft device or something (i'm not a technical person, just thinking out loud)

like in the real world, how they just put security tags on items in shops instead of getting MI5 to spy on EVERYONE, kind of thing?

is that any clearer?

jeesus do i really have to explain myself
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This makes no sense.
it still makes perfect sense to me! ha ha
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I'm glad to hear this.

And agreed with BVS, that quote is really weird and nonsentical.
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what i meant was, rather than monitoring everyone's internet use, which i think is a breach of civil liberties, can't they just make their own products more secure? like an electronic antitheft device or something (i'm not a technical person, just thinking out loud)

like in the real world, how they just put security tags on items in shops instead of getting MI5 to spy on EVERYONE, kind of thing?
. . . they need to get hold of some 17 year computer hacker to create a hack proof system and awwaaaay they go
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. . . they need to get hold of some 17 year computer hacker to create a hack proof system and awwaaaay they go
yeah that's what i mean! that kind of thing!
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think they really do need to do something about the whole illegal download thing though . . . established / older artists have already made their dosh from their music so I guess the impact won't be felt quite as harshly for them (they may lose a million dollars in royalities but when they have a few squillion in the bank that's small change) . . . but for up and coming artists it really does present a dilemma especially as the touring scene for up and comers seems to be dying out at a rate of knots as well . . . hope a solution is found that protects the artists to a degree and our privacy as well
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