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Old 05-17-2008, 10:25 PM   #61
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Originally posted by Vincent Vega

There are some very important differences. You didn't invent a fake personality in order to hook up with the girl only to eventually break her.
and this is an important factor. But is it punishable by law?
It's premeditated for sure, but not a murder.

Can anyone "really" stop this type of malicious behavior, and what is the next limit?
Where would it end?

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Old 05-18-2008, 09:03 AM   #62
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^She isn't convicted for murder, and I don't know about the exact definition of murder in the US, but in Germany it wouldn't be murder anyways, as murder involves the planning of a deed with the intent of killing a person and then carrying it out.
This might at the most be some form of manslaughter.

The end should be decided by a court, this why such a case should be brought to court. In the end, they always could decide in the favor of the woman saying convicting her for the suicide of the girl would go too far.

Of course such behaviour couldn't be ended by any court in the world, just as rape or murder or any other crime cannot be stopped. But this is not a reason to drop a case, is it?

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Old 05-19-2008, 08:48 AM   #63
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I understand the concerns here. I think it's a valid point to make but I think it's like anything else you do that's maybe "questionable". You take a chance. Take sexual harassment. You could make a suggestive comment to a woman and she'll be receptive to it, and you're fine...but if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person you could get fired.
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Old 05-19-2008, 03:44 PM   #64
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What a disgusting woman. I saw some stuff about this in New York.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:57 PM   #65
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So the trial began today. I hope this woman gets what she deserves.

MySpace hoax: Trial of Missouri women to start today - Los Angeles Times U.S.

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Old 11-20-2008, 12:24 PM   #66
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Thanks for posting, I hope she gets what she deserves too. Whatever that is...something. Maybe living with the guilt every day is even worse, assuming she feels any guilt.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:38 PM   #67
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I have nothing to back up this feeling but I can't imagine that evil woman would feel guilt . .. she sounds like the sort of person who would feel sorry, sorry for herself that she got caught out . . . . despicable doesn't even come close - far out, that woman just makes my blood boil

thanks for posting the link . . . will be very interested in the outcome
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Old 11-21-2008, 08:13 AM   #68
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Dead teen's Web behavior a focus in trial
Mother of girl who killed herself takes the stand in Internet hoax case
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updated 6:58 p.m. ET, Thurs., Nov. 20, 2008

LOS ANGELES - The mother of a Missouri girl who committed suicide after being targeted by an Internet hoax testified Thursday that she was unaware that her daughter had posed as an 18-year-old while allegedly trying to chat online with boys.

Tina Meier has said she had monitored 95 percent of the online activity of her 13-year-old daughter, Megan Meier.

Under questioning by defense attorney Dean Steward, Meier also said she did not recall a report from a psychologist that her daughter was portraying herself with sexual innuendo during online activities.

"Don't you remember her portraying herself as an 18-year-old?" Steward asked.

"No I don't," Meier said.

The testimony came during the trial of Lori Drew, who is accused of conspiring with her then-13-year-old daughter, Sarah, and Drew's then-18-year-old assistant, Ashley Grills, to dream up a fictitious identity on MySpace to find out what Megan was saying about Sarah.

Megan, who was being treated for depression and attention deficit disorder, committed suicide in 2006 after receiving cruel messages from a fictitious boy who prosecutors say was created as part of the hoax.

Drew has pleaded not guilty to one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing computers without authorization. Each count carries a potential sentence of five years in prison.

Case could set precedent

It's believed to be the nation's first cyber-bullying trial and its results could set a legal precedent for dealing with the issue of online harassment.

Steward told jurors Drew did not violate the Computer Use and Fraud Act — used in the past to address computer hacking — and reminded them that she was not facing charges dealing with the suicide.

Under cross-examination, Tina Meier also said she had reprimanded her daughter after discovering in the summer of 2006 that Megan and Sarah had together created a false identity for a fictional girl named Kelly on MySpace. Meier said her daughter was "boy crazy."

In other testimony, Christina Chu, a hair stylist, testified that she was upset when Lori Drew told her she had helped set up a fake MySpace account to get back at an unnamed girl.

Chu said Drew showed no response when Chu told her that was wrong.

Drew returned to the hair salon on the day of Megan's wake, and employees asked why she and her family had decided to attend.

"'It's not like I pulled the trigger,'" Chu quoted Drew as saying.

Grills was expected testify later in the day with immunity from prosecution.

Early testimony on suicide

While the trial is expected to center on the social networking site's terms of service, most of the early testimony has dealt with Megan's suicide.

A composed Tina Meier told jurors Wednesday that her daughter was taking medication for attention deficit disorder and depression and that she struggled with low self-esteem.

"I was nervous she would do something," said Meier, adding that Megan previously tried committing suicide.

Meier said Megan was bullied at the Missouri school she attended with Sarah. Megan transferred to a private school months before she killed herself.
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Paraphrasing something Dennis Miller said many years ago

'If you ever find yourself in a position where you want to harm or do harm to a child sexually or psychologically, then (long pause) you need to kill yourself right now and help us thin out this herd of collective nutcases."

How pathetic is one's life when they have to hide behind acmoputer and torment a 13 year old?
I agree. The child did have some medical issues and it is disturbing that this so called "adult" would use this to her advantage. And torment this young lady to the point that she took her own life. I think the adult should be held accountable is some way. She should go to prison.
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People pretend to be other people all the time on the internet, but there is a huge difference between a 13yr old girl who was boy crazy and wanted a boyfriend so made herself older, and a woman who made up a boy, and then actively engaged in an online relationship with this poor girl, then turned her world upside down and totally fucked with her head, then says 'oh what? you think *I* had something to do with her death? She was depressed before we started talking!'

What a horrrible terrible fucking nasty woman. I think she definately should be convicted, so it shows other people that messing around with people on the internet its a fucking offence, and you can get your ass thrown in jail for it.

I just feel for this girl. All she wanted was to be pretty and liked by some boy, becaus eour society is skewed to valuing pretty popular people, and someone preyed on this to hurt her.
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Old 11-22-2008, 12:39 AM   #71
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The calls for vengeance make me feel uncomfortable, it is a terrible story and what the woman did was morally wrong, but I don't necessarily think it should be legally wrong, there could be unintended consequences to establishing a precedent.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:14 AM   #72
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what sort of things are you thinking? I think it should be legally wrong for someone to pretend to be someone else to cause harm regardless if its physical or emotional. Do i think this woman should be charged with murder or manslaughter, no. Do i think she could be charged with reckless endangerment and falsifying information with negative consequences or some such. yeah totally.
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ST. LOUIS – A 21-year-old woman accused of sending a vulgar text message to a 17-year-old girl is one of the first cases brought under a law against cyberbullying spurred by the suicide of a teenage girl following cruel messages on the Internet.

The 2006 death of 13-year-old Megan Meier prompted Missouri lawmakers to update state harassment law earlier this year so that it now covers bullying and stalking done through electronic media, like e-mails or text messages.

A handful of cases related to electronic communication have been filed statewide since the law took effect Aug. 28. Prosecutors do not track harassment cases based on the type of communication method used, so could not provide an exact count in recent days of how many people have been charged because of the new provisions.

In one of the new cases, Nicole Williams is accused of using electronic communications to harass a teenager in a dispute over a boy. Williams is scheduled for arraignment on one count of harassment on Jan. 8.

She allegedly sent the text message to the 17-year-old she had not previously met because she heard the girl had a physical encounter with her boyfriend. The two had just been talking, police said.

The 17-year-old girl received voice messages with lewd and threatening comments, including some that called her by the name "pork and beans" and threatened rape. Williams told police others sent those messages from her phone, according to a probable cause statement.

St. Peters police spokeswoman Melissa Doss said Friday that the 17-year-old had eggs, thumbtacks and a can of baked beans thrown on her car. Williams has not been linked with or charged with those offenses, she said.

The case was filed in November and is the first involving text messages in St. Charles County, the county where Meier resided, since the new law went into effect.

Defense attorney Michael Kielty, who represents Williams, criticized the revised law on electronic harassment. He called the Meier case tragic, but said lawmakers had engaged in a knee-jerk reaction to try to address the high-profile case.

In a landmark cyberbullying trial, Lori Drew, 49, of O'Fallon, Mo., was convicted in Los Angeles on misdemeanor federal charges of accessing computers without authorization last month.

Prosecutors said Drew and two others created a fictitious teenage boy on MySpace and sent flirtatious messages from him to neighbor Megan Meier, 13. The "boy" dumped Megan in 2006, telling her: "The world would be a better place without you." Megan hanged herself. Drew has not yet been sentenced.

The trial in California came after Missouri prosecutors said they couldn't find state statutes that allowed them to file charges.

Kielty said Missouri's revised harassment measures are bad law. "It's probably one of the worst written laws I've seen in my career," he said.

He said kids used to say things face to face or pass notes in school commenting on someone's looks or weight. The new law "criminalizes behavior that otherwise wouldn't be illegal except for the medium," he said.

"It's not criminal. It might be mean-spirited, but it's not criminal," he said.

St. Charles County Prosecutor Jack Banas noted the allegations against Williams haven't been proven yet, but said the updated harassment law should help make it "easier to go after people who are going after people in unusual ways."

He said harassment over the telephone has been a crime for years in Missouri. The changes to the law "broadens it to cover new technology," he said.

Banas said he's still not sure Missouri's current harassment law as it related to electronic communication would have allowed for prosecution of Drew, had it been in effect at the time of Megan's death. He thinks it would have been difficult to prove the case because of a lack of corroborating evidence. "The communications weren't sent by Mrs. Drew, for one thing," he said. Drew wasn't charged with harassment in the California case.

About 45 states have updated their laws to address harassment through electronic communications or crafted new laws to respond to the concerns of cyberbullying or cyberstalking, said Naomi Goodno, an associate professor at Pepperdine University School of Law who has written about cyberbullying law. She said many of those changes happened prior to the Meier case or were fueled by other concerns.

State Sen. Scott Rupp, who sponsored the bill to change Missouri harassment law, said Missouri's law hasn't been fully tested, but he believes it is making people more aware of what they say online.

Online bloggers have written about Missouri's new law, or sent out links to it as a reference when derogatory comments were made on the Internet, he said. "That people are actually paying attention — it is a good thing," he said.
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Another very sad case involving cyberbullying

Immigrant Teen Taunted by Cyberbullies Hangs Herself

Massachusetts Girl, 15, Was Reportedly Bullied Online Before Taking Her life


Jan. 26, 2010—

Even in death, Phoebe Prince was bullied. On a memorial page dedicated to the Massachusetts teen who had recently committed suicide, Facebook members left taunting comments that had to be removed.

The 15-year-old -- a recent immigrant from Ireland with a pretty face and a soft brogue -- was found dead in her South Hadley home Jan. 14, according to police.

Afterward, her fellow students came forward to tell school officials that Prince had been teased incessantly, taunted by text messages and harassed on social networking sites like Facebook.

"It's heart-wrenching," said South Hadley Police Chief David LaBrie. "She had only moved here last summer."

"We are looking at all factors," said LaBrie, who was assisting the Northwest District Attorney's office with an investigation into Prince's death.

LaBrie refused to discuss the details of Prince's suicide out of "respect for the family's privacy.

"It's tremendously emotionally draining on the family and the whole community right now," he told "It's such a sad thing."

Many in the suburban community of about 17,000 in western Massachusetts was in shock after learning that Prince had reportedly hung herself just days after accepting a date to a high school dance.

In a letter to parents, Principal Daniel Smith called Prince "smart, charming, and as is the case with many teenagers, complicated. ... We will never know the specific reasons why she chose to take her life.''

Prince is not the only case of apparent bullying that has sparked national headlines.

In 2006, Megan Meier killed herself after the mother of a former friend created a fictitious profile to harass the Missouri 13-year-old. Three years earlier, 13-year-old Ryan Patrick Halligan of Vermont hung himself after he'd been bullied online.

Just this week in Lewisville, Texas, a 9-year-old boy hung himself in the nurse's bathroom at his elementary school.

"It's just sad. I can't imagine what would make a 9-year-old boy feel this way," Stephanie Rodriguez, the school's PTA treasurer, told ABC affiliate WFAA television.

This is apparently the second high-profile suicide bullying case in Massachusetts in the past year. In nearby Springfield, 11-year-old Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover hung himself with an extension cord after bullies repeatedly called him gay.

In the case of Phoebe Prince, the family recently relocated from a tiny village in the west of Ireland. But she had trouble adjusting to her new school and became the victim of incessant bullying by classmates.

"The real problem now is the texting stuff and the cyberbullying,'' South Hadley School Superintendent Gus A. Sayer told the Boston Globe. "Some kids can be very mean towards one another using that medium.''

Sayer and other officials at the 700-student high school did not return calls from

Suicide Prompts Investigation

First Assistant District Attorney Renee Steese said her office is conducting an "open investigation" of the circumstances of Prince's death with local and state police, as well as the medical examiner.

"It's a small community, and obviously for the family a tragic loss," she told

Bullying has become increasingly common in schools throughout the United States.

The National Youth Violence Prevention Resource Center estimated that nearly 30 percent of American youth are either a bully or a target of bullying.

In addition, researchers at the Yale School of Medicine, in a new review of studies from 13 countries, found signs of an apparent connection between bullying, being bullied and suicide.

"The incidence of bullying is getting more and more frequent and takes lots of forms," said Herbert Nieberg, associate professor of criminal justice at Mitchell College in Connecticut and a psychologist who specializes in adolescents.

And when the bullying moves to the Internet, the trauma to the victim is "astronomically" escalated, according to Nieberg.

"In the old days kids would threaten to beat someone up, but now it's gone into the cyberworld," he told "Kids go on to Facebook because they get a wider audience than in the hallway."

Cyberbullying also appeals to the crowd instinct, according to Nieberg. "Everybody likes to watch the action. Why do three girls on Long Island beat up another young woman and put it on YouTube? They vicariously enjoy identifying with the aggressor."

Why some teens can survive their tormentors and others cannot depends on their self-image and psychological mood. "Anyone with a mood disorder is at risk," said Nieberg.

"The answer is vulnerability versus resiliency," he said. "Some kids are good copers."

But some advocates say Massachusetts, a typically progressive state, falls behind 37 other states that have taken action on school bullying. Several bills before the state legislature address school bullying.

House Bill 483, sponsored by the Anti-Defamation League of New England, would require schools to have anti-bullying training and procedures in place. It would also require districts to produce an annual report citing incidents for the state legislature and the department of primary and secondary education

"We take no comfort or false security that we grew up with bullying and what's the big deal, we survived," said Derrek Shulman, regional director of the ADL.

"Statistics show in a survey of fourth- and eighth-graders that a large percentage said they had been bullied or were bullied themselves," he told

"We know that bullies are more likely to get into trouble with narcotics and law enforcement and that the bullied suffer from self-esteem and there are significant repercussions on being productive members of the community," he said.

Students Hold Vigil

Meanwhile, hundreds attended a candlelight vigil organized by students on the South Hadley High School softball field the day after Phoebe Prince died.

Parents are also pushing to create an anti-bullying task force at the high school. But the first meeting, scheduled for Tuesday, has been postponed for a month.

Prince's death notice in the Springfield Republican newspaper said she left three sisters and a brother.

Her family members, who couldn't be reached for comment, wrote that they had moved to South Hadley so the family could experience America.

"What her family and friends from both sides of the Atlantic grieve is the loss of the incandescent enthusiasm of a life blossoming," the notice read. "She enjoyed life with an energy only the young possess."
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