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Old 12-11-2008, 08:51 PM   #16
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the facts are inconvenient, so you choose to find another set of facts.

cigarette smoking is good for you.

carry on.
anyone who does not wish to see cowboys fucking is a bigot.

carry on.
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:34 PM   #17
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anyone who does not wish to see cowboys fucking is a bigot.

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anyone who thinks a movie with a 10 second love scene between two men is only about cowboys fucking is a bigot.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:43 PM   #19
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the facts are inconvenient, so you choose to find another set of facts.

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What facts are inconvenient?
I'm seeking the truth on this subject, not propaganda.
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What facts are inconvenient?
I'm seeking the truth on this subject, not propaganda.
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Let me ask you iron horse, I'm assuming you've read facts from all sides correct? And there are many many many more scientist that believe global warming is occuring, and out of those most agree that humanity has a part in that warming. So what facts will you need to make you question your view? Have you found the facts of the minority to be that much more convincing or is it dissent for dissent sake?
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Old 12-15-2008, 08:43 PM   #21
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What annoys me in all this is, even if the global warming data is a bit screwed and its not as bad as they say it is, are the ideas put forth, you know like not driving so much, limiting time on electrical appliances, riding a bike to places, recyclling rubbish and so on, such BAD things anyway? I just don't get this whole 'lets try and prove em wrong about global warming!!' who the fuck cares? Why can't we just step back, and realise how much we've screwed up the earth, regardless of how much damage it will cause in our lifetime. So many people are caught up with the now but you know what, we all die and you can't take your big wads of cash from you oil/ships/cars/military weapons/insurance/pharmaceutical company that you run you big fucking fool.
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Recycling can be a bad idea, it can put more carbon in the atmosphere than just dumping into landfill, or can waste money which could have a greater impact elsewhere (for instance a subsidy on CFL bulbs for every household, instead of half a dozen different bins).

Cost-Benefit is not evil, and you shouldn't leave your critical thinking at the door when somebody says there is a crisis.
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:13 PM   #23
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In contrast to meteorology, which focuses on short term weather systems lasting up to a few weeks, climatology studies the frequency and trends of those systems. It studies the periodicity of weather events over years to millennia, as well as changes in long-term average weather patterns, in relation to atmospheric conditions. Climatologists, those who practice climatology, study both the nature of climates - local, regional or global - and the natural or human-induced factors that cause climates to change. Climatology considers the past and can help predict future climate change.
It's interesting to look at the list of quotes and see just how few come from the discipline of climate change: climatology. Of course other fields relate to it, but you would imagine if there was a significant conflict that the media was silencing, the quote compiler wouldn't even need to stretch into other fields for opinions: there surely should be more then enough climatologists to quote. That's the whole point, right? Which isn't to dismiss the broad consensus:

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IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise" [p. 1 in (5)]. The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: "The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue" [p. 3 in (5)].

Others agree. The American Meteorological Society (6), the American Geophysical Union (7), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling (8).

The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change" (9).

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
I particularly enjoy the brief bit about how there are more people quoted in this Senate Minority Report then helped compile the IPCC report: no shit- they're authors. If I can find three people to dispute the germ theory of disease, does that mean my Biology book (2 authors!) is obsolete?
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