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Old 05-04-2011, 03:05 PM   #466
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Well, you don't release photos and conspiracy theorists will have a field day with it. But, as long as Osama Bin Laden doesn't appear in some propaganda tomorrow, or in a month, or a year, or ever... I say let them conspire all they'd like.

Apparently there was live feed for JSOC to watch as it unfolded. If that was the case, they should screencap any image of Osama not dead. Maybe that can give some closure to some.

Thing is, if you release a photo of Osama Bin Laden's half shot off face, which apparently happened when he took a bullet near the left eye, you're going to get a retaliation or negative media from the East slandering Obama and the United States. Sensitivity is everything right now.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:23 PM   #467
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Well, Obama has decided not to release the photos. Probably for the best. But the conspiracy nuts are going to jump on this.
People want proof.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:24 PM   #468
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I think they'd be more concerned about what every idiot with photoshop will do to it within seconds. You can bet half of it will be exceedingly offensive to, I dunno, about 1.6 billion people? It's 2011, it's not something they can just show in a newspaper or on a news broadcast once, people are satisfied, and then its effectively done and gone.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:28 PM   #469
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People want proof.


what would satisfy you?
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:32 PM   #470
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People want proof.
no thanks!

i'm glad they're not releasing any photos... that would be so distasteful for one thing, not to mention inflammatory!
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:44 PM   #471
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They did release these photos of the compound and some of the other men shot and killed that night: Osama bin Laden compound in Abbottabad - in pictures | World news | guardian.co.uk

Edit: It's graphic, obviously
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #472
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People want proof.
People need to use their brain.

To suggest there isn't proof is to suggest a cover-up or fabrication.

So Obama, Republicans, US Military, Pakistan, Bin Laden's wife...they're all in on it?

I get it, I really do. I want to see the photos myself. Maybe just out of curiosity. But we can't always accommodate paranoid people.

Reactions to the death of Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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An Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula member said: "This news has been a catastrophe for us. At first we did not believe it, but we got in touch with our brothers in Pakistan who have confirmed it."
AQ doesn't even need as much 'proof' as the tin-foil-hat crowd.

Again, I really do understand the desire for definitive proof.
But it probably won't change the minds of those who can't be convinced. We've seen recent evidence of this paranoid phenomenon with those who still don't believe Obama was born in the US.
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Old 05-04-2011, 04:36 PM   #473
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I don't understand. We give him a "proper" Islamic burial (even though it wasn't, according to most), and now we don't release any pictures or video? All in the name of not offending the Muslim world? It's Osama bin fucking Laden. I think they'll be able to deal with it. I hardly think a picture of his dead body would be a more effective recruiting tool than anything else at Al-Qaeda's disposal.

I give major props to Obama on the operation, but not on this decision.

Let's see how long it takes before someone leaks the picture, and/or video.
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Old 05-04-2011, 04:45 PM   #474
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Big Grin

edit to add --- I don't know how that smiley got in there

There are a lot more down sides to releasing the picture than there are to not releasing it.

I am sure he got strong arguments on both sides.

Just like there were arguments for using drone or missile strikes to take OBL out.
If the mission went bad and Americans died, like what happened with Carter in Iran Obama would have taken a big hit. If OBL was not there, this invasion into Pakistan would have cost us dearly.

Obama made the right call with the SEALS and he made the right call with the picture. If he put it out there would be more calls to release the video that had Hillary putting her hand over her mouth as she watched what??

His young wife get shot for no reason? Obama getting shot in the face as he had his hands over his head?

No doubt about it, they got this on video, like a first person shooter video game. There should be no releases of any picture that leads to more demands for more releases.
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Mike Rogers (R-MI), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee:
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“I don’t want to make the job of our troops serving in places like Iraq and Afghanistan any harder than it already is. The risks of release outweigh the benefits. Conspiracy theorists around the world will just claim the photos are doctored anyway, and there is a real risk that releasing the photos will only serve to inflame public opinion in the Middle East.

Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaida killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the internet. Osama bin Laden is not a trophy--he is dead and let’s now focus on continuing the fight until Al Qaida has been eliminated.”
http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/...adenPhotos.pdf
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Purported bin Laden corpse photos go viral, global - Yahoo! News

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SAN FRANCISCO – The images are bloody, grotesque and convincing: Osama bin Laden lies dead, the left side of his head blasted away.

Unverified photos purporting to show bin Laden's corpse rocketed around the world on television, online via social media and in print almost as soon as his death was announced.

The pictures have spread without regard for their origin or whether the images are real.

Newsrooms and the public have been left in the tough spot of deciding what to believe when software has made doctoring photographs easier than ever. And the hunger for visual evidence of bin Laden's death may only grow now that President Barack Obama has said the government's photos will remain classified.

"I don't think society tolerates the invisible anymore," said Fred Ritchin, a professor of photography at New York University who has written about digital technology undermining trust in the veracity of photographs. "Everything has to be imaged."

In perhaps the most widely distributed photo, a bloodied bin Laden appears to be missing his left eye, and he is grimacing as if he died in pain. The White House says bin Laden was shot above his left eye.

Reuters reported on its photography blog that the mouth, ear and beard in the picture exactly matched a photo the news agency had snapped of bin Laden at a news conference in 1998. The upper half of the face appears to be from a different corpse.

Another photo released on the website liveleak.com shows bin Laden lying on his back with a wound over one eye as a soldier with an American flag insignia on his shoulder stands over the body. The photo is in green and black, as if taken with a night vision lens.

The website has since retracted the photo, which liveleak.com indicated was made with a photo of bin Laden digitally stitched into a still from the 2001 movie Black Hawk Down.

Another picture, by far the most gruesome, shows an extremely bloody face that resembles bin Laden with most of the skull missing and brain visible.

The spread of fake photos and the ease of making them has forced news organizations to be more vigilant than ever.

"The challenge here is these techniques are quite sophisticated," said Santiago Lyon, director of photography for The Associated Press. "A good Photoshop forger ... can make it very difficult at first glance to detect whether an image has been manipulated or not."

Experienced photo editors can often spot telltale inconsistencies such as shifts in color, contrast or light source that signal a fake, Lyon said.

For the most newsworthy photos that also raise suspicions, the AP has access to software that can analyze photos down to the level of the pixel, the basic building block of all digital images.

At least as important as the image itself is vetting the credibility of its source, Lyon said.

The AP did not escape from the lightning spread of doctored photos. The news service pulled from its wires a total of six photos — one of a Pakistani television broadcast, three of an Afghan television broadcast and two of a Bulgarian newspaper — that included apparently doctored images of bin Laden's corpse the AP could not verify.

The AP made the decision not to accompany this story with any photos claiming to show a dead bin Laden to avoid any appearance of vouching for their authenticity.

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They now have their fuel, I highly doubt some guy in Afghanistan who is shown the picture by the local Taliban recruiter is going to say "that's photoshopped."

But I suppose if we wait for Wikileaks to release them, then that gets rid of the whole "trophy" theory.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:18 PM   #477
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the pictures are fakes

and WikiLeaks is a criminal organization, I hope they lock them up.

If Julian Assange had gotten the files that said they had identified OBL's courier in Pakistan and the compound he would have put it online - lickety-split
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Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans |

do they have a valid point ?

or is this just Political Correctness gone wrong ?
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:01 PM   #479
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**WARNING** graphic pictures in following link

Photos from the Bin Laden Compound


I could not look at these pictures for more than a second.

These young men most likely had wives and children, they did not choose the location of their birth that put them on the path to where they are now.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:10 PM   #480
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It's being suggested that one of those men - the first one - is either Hamza or Khaled bin Laden.
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