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Old 05-03-2011, 10:47 AM   #361
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It really doesn't solve anything that they killed him. They should have brought him to trial.
Everyone who keeps saying this, what and how do you suggest this would have happened?

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The guy was probably the most paranoid man walking the planet(except maybe Glenn Beck) and probably pretty well fortified and armed. How do you take someone alive who is determined to go out fighting?
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:48 AM   #362
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The problem with conspiracy theorists, is not that they are skeptical, but that they absolutely will not believe anything that doesn't agree with their world view.
the problem with conspiracy theorists is that most of them are bat shit crazy.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:49 AM   #363
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It really doesn't solve anything that they killed him. They should have brought him to trial.
As far as I'm concerned the NAVY seals acted as garbagemen and finally took out the trash that was stinking up the planet for 10 long years.

He died exactly how he had to die....at the end of an American muzzle with an American staring into his ugly face and with American bullets piercing his worthless carcass.

One thing I am sorry for is the burial at sea - why should the fish suffer?
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:52 AM   #364
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I would have been just as happy if they caught him alive. That being said, I am not going to judge how anyone reacts to this, whether it is by chanting USA or quoting MLK. Firefighters raising their arms in celebration, bring it on! They have the right to some closure. I am relieved.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:53 AM   #365
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He died exactly how he had to die....at the end of an American muzzle with an American staring into his ugly face and with American bullets piercing his worthless carcass.
No, I agree that it would have been much more sufferable for him to have rotted away in an "infidel's" prison and paraded guilty before the whole world, but there was just no way this was going to happen.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:57 AM   #366
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"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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yeah... perfect quote Diemen... the whole thing has left me feeling quite strange... i'm glad they finally found Bin Laden, and he did say he would die fighting... but i don't take pleasure in death, and i feel uneasy hearing it described as "justice"... what kind of "justice" is that? "justice" by the bullet? if we claim to find justice in death/assassination however it's described, i think we're sending out quite a dangerous message there...



Spoken like a true U2 fan. Bravo.
No need for USA chants.
I love this, "Spoken Like a True U2 fan", what a joke. And let me guess you'll start whining because people hate U2 and there over righteous fans.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:14 AM   #367
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It really doesn't solve anything that they killed him. They should have brought him to trial.
then he'd have started talking about his prior dealings with the CIA and the saudis. can't have that.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:36 AM   #368
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It's ugly, but I think the decision is understandable.

Try and think through what immediate risks might have been involved in capturing him, and then how difficult bringing him to trial would have been, and how long it would have taken (years), and how messy/political/ugly it almost certainly would have gotten, all the while with this huge symbol still existing - which could mean all sorts of different things.

Again, the story is over. That is probably, simply, what the winning argument is/was. Just end the story.

Also, sort of along those lines, it seems the news of the moment is that something else will be released by the White House - a photo, or video, or something - maybe even today. I don't think they should do that so fast. That will get ugly, fast. They should just get a range of people, journalists from around the world representing all sorts of views/positions, various representatives from other nations, pile them into a room, show them what they've got (video of the raid, photo of bin Laden, video of the sea-burial) and have, say, a hundred people representing a very broad and trustworthy cross section, saying we've seen it, it's legit, let it go. Start there at least. As yolland said a couple of pages ago, release a photo or video, and within 15 minutes... He shouldn't continue to be a symbol of anything, almost especially including mocking and taunting.
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i think one night of U-S-A chants, in the context of the intense psychological trauma of the past 10 years -- from 9/11 to Iraq and Afghanistan to the horrors of the Bush administration -- is entirely understandable. it's difficult to explain just how dramatically this one act changed so much of American life, and many of these kids have grown up understanding OBL as akin to Emperor Palpatine or some kind of super villian. many, many people joined the armed forces after 9/11 precisely to join in the hunt to bring a mass murderer to justice.

for me, i had no interest in going to the White House, even though it's less than 2 miles from where i live. nor will i ever chant U-S-A at anything other than the Olympics where i become a rabid, irrational nationalist for 2 weeks every 4 years.

but using the past 36 hours to lapse into reflexive, nose-crinkling, hackneyed anti-Americanism -- how uncouth! what cowboys! -- comes off just as offensive. as someone who has lived between DC and Boston his entire life, spends plenty of time on public transportation in DC and NYC, and flies frequently, and was also against so much that was done politically and militarily under the shadow of OBL, there does feel like an enormous weight has been lifted. that's likely transitory, and likely not much will actually change. but, for now, it feels very good, in a grim, sober way, that justice was served, and served by a team of incredibly skilled Navy SEALS who carried out a flawless mission ordered by an informed, cool-as-ice president that has since been recognized as one of the gutsiest military decisions ever made. what happened will be studied in history books and military manuals forever. Obama fucking got him. i'm not going to apologize for the small shot of adrenalized Id that makes me feel right now.

the past 10 years have been horrible. let's at least allow ourselves to feel good about something -- not the death, but about the country actually getting something right for once.
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I can understand what the American people are feeling now, I can because 18 months after the 9/11 there was a 3/11 in my city when 200 people died because of the bombings of Al Quaeda under Bin Laden's orders, I could hear some of the explotions from my home and I lost some friends. However, I think a trial would have been the best solution, I don't know if that was even possible, but I know a trial is undeniably an act of justice, what has in fact happened can be subjected to interpretation.

All of his victims all over the world deserved justice, I can't be sad for his death, but I'm not at all satisfied.
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Everyone who keeps saying this, what and how do you suggest this would have happened?

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First off, I agree with Obama when he said that the US did not ask for this circumstance.
But detaining him and putting him for a trial would have given the US the moral upper hand. Even if they all kinda agreed that he was gonna die.

Does the US justice system not assume innocence before guilt?
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I love this, "Spoken Like a True U2 fan", what a joke. And let me guess you'll start whining because people hate U2 and there over righteous fans.

If U2 is about one thing its about non-violence.
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It's ugly, but I think the decision is understandable.

Try and think through what immediate risks might have been involved in capturing him, and then how difficult bringing him to trial would have been, and how long it would have taken (years),


I agree with this but it gets messy when the US keeps assasinating foreign leaders.
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He originally figured that would happen in a month or two, but as the months and years passed by, Weddle started looking more like a member of ZZ Top or one of the guys on the Smith Brothers Cough Drops box. Some of the mangy strands measured 14 inches.

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Ironically he kind of looked more like bin Laden than Dusty Hill or Billy Gibbons.
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Everyone who keeps saying this, what and how do you suggest this would have happened?

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First off, I agree with Obama when he said that the US did not ask for this circumstance.
But detaining him and putting him for a trial would have given the US the moral upper hand. Even if they all kinda agreed that he was gonna die.

Does the US justice system not assume innocence before guilt?
You really missed my point. How do you suggest they would have brought him in alive?
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