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Old 05-02-2011, 05:44 AM   #211
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Some may say this vindicates GITMO

apparently they found OBL couriers from intelligence gathered from detainees at GITMO,
once they started tracking a courier, they found the compound,
they say the compound had no internet, phones or cell phones. Also all trash was burned on site.
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As a matter of fact, terrorism falls pretty far down that list, but state repression is a rather important risk. Think-tanks that track terror fatalities measure the number of dead from terrorism since 1970 in the tens of thousands. Compare this to the hundreds of thousands killed by their own governments over the same period, a number that rises, RJ Rummel tells us, to a staggering 169,198,000 between 1900-1987. International terrorism may be scary, but in relative terms it’s pretty small beer.

It stands to reason that if the goal is to protect civilians the means used to be consistent with the wider protection of civilians. So although liberals are fond of making the absolutist moral argument and the constitutive argument against torture, it turns out that you can also argue against torutre on purely utilitarian grounds. And the argument is not that it’s ineffective. The argument is that even if it’s sometimes effective and even if it’s necessary to protect civilians, civilians stand to benefit far more from preserving a rule of law political culture than they do from avoiding every single risk that comes with living in an era of techno-globalization in which the gap between the haves and have nots is widening.
The same general risk is true for the broad deference given to the executive branch over the last decade for the compromises at GITMO that punch a hole in our constitution.
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:50 AM   #212
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I'm sure they'll release images of the corpse within the few days...or they may want to hold off for the time being knowing it could stir up the hornet's nest.
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:59 AM   #213
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Both 9/11/01 and today have been surreal bookends. I keep glancing at this thread title, and it doesn't settle easily in my head.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:18 AM   #214
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Great avatar man.

Someone said hitler also died today...?
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:19 AM   #215
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Wow.
Never thought OBL would be captured or killed - would have preferred the former, to prevent martyrdom.

I suppose this means 2012 election is now effectively won for Obama.

And now we have to worry about the retaliation attacks...the problem with people like this there's probably 10 guys waiting in line to carry on.
I wouldn't be too sure about the 2012 election.
I remember in 1991 when the first gulf war ended and everyone was predicting a sound victory for Bush the elder in 1992 but he was still defeated by Bill Clinton.

Granted this is a MAJOR coup for Obama, however, when the euphoria wears off, he will still be left with the problems of the economy, health care and other things he needs to take care of in order to get re-elected.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:21 AM   #216
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Great avatar man.

Someone said hitler also died today...?
Hi Cob,

Not exactly......

What I said was that today is Holocaust remembrance day in Israel. The day where we remember the 6 million Jews who perished by Hitler's orders during world war II.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:23 AM   #217
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Great avatar man.

Someone said hitler also died today...?
Thanks!

Achtung, word's been getting around that May 1st was the day that Hitler's death was officially confirmed. I think that's what cobl was getting at.
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It's a pity that ideologies don't have a body to kill.
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It's a pity that ideologies don't have a body to kill.
yep very frustrating.

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Thanks!

Achtung, word's been getting around that May 1st was the day that Hitler's death was officially confirmed. I think that's what cobl was getting at.
yes, that's what i was getting at. i think i saw someone mention something like that on twitter.
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:35 AM   #220
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:56 AM   #221
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I am in shock. As much as I want to believe that the evil man who attacked my city is dead and gone, I am skeptical. Not because of the timing or the president who did it, but because it just too good to be true.

I want to celebrate and be joyous, but I am hesitant.
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Haha, some things around here never surprise me. They buried him at sea, so ...

Good riddance Osama. I would have rather had him captured alive, for information and for some sort of form of "justice". And to lessen the martyrdom. I wanted to see him taken away in handcuffs-death was too easy for him and actually probably more what he wanted, to satisfy his mission and goals.

Absolutely does not guarantee a win for Obama-it isn't going to put anyone back to work. And I think those who think Obama hates America, well they'll probably believe that Bin Laden is alive in a secret location in the US and that Obama brings him food and drink every day and hangs out with him, saying bad stuff about the USA and yucking it up. Maybe even a beer summit. Plenty of people will never want to give Obama any credit for this.

For whatever it does for the family members and friends of his victims, I am very happy and grateful.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...-site-13507839
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But WHO got booted from Celebrity Apprentice?!
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But WHO got booted from Celebrity Apprentice?!
I Googled, supposedly it was
 
Hope. What the hell did she ever do there? Trump just had her on and kept her on to ogle her. Star and NeNe have to stay for the drama


Obama could have waited until after that was over. Priorities people!
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Although it won't really change the worldwide terror situation, this is good news nonetheless. Simple as that.
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