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Old 05-02-2011, 02:25 AM   #181
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Finance guy, don't you think if he wasn't dead, he'd just release another video saying "nope, I'm not dead"? At some point, the conspiracy nonsense gets pretty ridiculous
Yeah I brought this up to a few people about the whole conspiracy thing.

It's a very real possibility that they have pre-taped propaganda knowing that Osama could die any day, to be honest.

Either way, the United States would be incredibly stupid to pretend as though Osama was dead when he was not. I'm almost certain he's dead (just my opinion). However, there's certainly fair reason to believe that the ways of his demise could have happened in any way ranging from suicide, decline in health, or anything of the less sort exciting, morale-boosting sort.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:26 AM   #182
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So, here's a twitter feed from a man in Abbottabad. Eerie. Twitter
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:27 AM   #183
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on UK news they're saying bin Laden once said he would never be taken alive and would die fighting...
Doesn't surprise me. He's probably shooting for martyrdom status.

It's completely dependent on the situation. Was he intentionally shot, or hit by random firefight bullets?

And by that I mean did someone take aim at him? I have a feeling that Navy SEALs would have the ability to tranquilize him if they really wanted to or were able to, leading me to believe that he was killed in crossfire.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:31 AM   #184
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Indications seem to be that there was a firefight.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:32 AM   #185
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i wondered what was going on yesterday - we were at Disneyland Paris Saturday and Sunday with the kids - on Saturday during the day going into the parks there was no special security, but then on Sunday night going into Planet Hollywood suddenly there was all this security with bag scanners, and then going into Disney on Sunday morning it was a different vibe altogether as the security checks were much heavier compared with the day before, again with bag scans in a separate tent that wasn't there the previous day, felt kind of worrying to be honest... maybe heightened security on possible American interests abroad??

kind of worried about the backlash... hope things don't go crazy...
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:36 AM   #186
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Indications seem to be that there was a firefight.
Right, but firefight to what extent? A tactical breakdown of the complex or a crossfire with stray bullets? The point I'm trying to make is that when that information is revealed, we'll know if it was at all possible to capture Osama alive.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:41 AM   #187
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Praise to G-d almighty for this wonderful news@!

I had no doubt in my mind that this day would come and I only hoped that I would live to see it. How fitting is it that the joyous news of the death of one of the most evil men in history should come on Holocaust memorial day when we remember the memory of the 6 million Jews murdered by another one of the most evil men in History - Adolph Hitler.

Although Bin Laden wasn't brought to trial, G-d saw to it that he was brought to American justice!

G-d bless the brave U.S. soldiers who avenged the thousands of deaths of 911 and the tens of thousands of other deaths caused by this mass murderer.

As he now must face the full power of G-d's holy judgement, may he be made to pay eternally for the evil acts he has done and for the innocent lives lost at his command.

Rest in HELL!
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Doesn't surprise me. He's probably shooting for martyrdom status.

It's completely dependent on the situation. Was he intentionally shot, or hit by random firefight bullets?

And by that I mean did someone take aim at him? I have a feeling that Navy SEALs would have the ability to tranquilize him if they really wanted to or were able to, leading me to believe that he was killed in crossfire.
I think you've been watching too many movies, dude. Tranquilize? I'm pretty sure that's not an option or else every police department in the country would deploy the same tactics.
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I think you've been watching too many movies, dude. Tranquilize? I'm pretty sure that's not an option or else every police department in the country would deploy the same tactics.
tranquilize, disable, disarm, I didn't mean it as specifically in putting him to sleep.

edit: I just feel as though the SEALs have ways either through technology or tactic to suppress a target without killing them.

I meant shooting his gun/non-lethal body parts upon will.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:55 AM   #190
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So, here's a twitter feed from a man in Abbottabad. Eerie. Twitter
wow, that's quite something! his tweets are pretty funny, nice sense of humour - poor guy though having to deal with all this sudden unexpected attention - freaky!
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Ah, gotcha. I guess at a certain point it becomes kill or be killed. From the sound of it, they were using a woman as a human shield. She ended up getting killed too, but I'm sure it must've been a pretty chaotic scene
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At some point, the conspiracy nonsense gets pretty ridiculous
Beyond ridiculous because it often wears the guise of sound skepticism and some kind of...reason. Not specifically financeguy but any notion at all that this could have been fabricated.

It's delusion in the form of a self-satisfied world view that is more interested in preaching cynicism than actually seeking truth through actual critical analysis.

It would take no more than a casual, critical look to get beyond the question "could this be a fabrication?". How many anti-Obama folks populate the upper ranks of the US military? I am guessing more than a few...and how many of them would gladly like to soil his reputation rather than pollute their own principles by going along with such a sham?

When Jessica Lynch's rescue story came undone, any of you deluded 'skeptics' ask yourself what 'undid' it?

Secrets are only kept in very, very small circles. You might say that the circle surrounding this event would be a little more than impossible to contain. Of course, any sane person would realize everything I just said.

In other words, it's precisely the opposite of sound skepticism. It's idiocy.
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Praise to G-d almighty for this wonderful news@!

I had no doubt in my mind that this day would come and I only hoped that I would live to see it. How fitting is it that the joyous news of the death of one of the most evil men in history should come on Holocaust memorial day when we remember the memory of the 6 million Jews murdered by another one of the most evil men in History - Adolph Hitler.

Although Bin Laden wasn't brought to trial, G-d saw to it that he was brought to American justice!

G-d bless the brave U.S. soldiers who avenged the thousands of deaths of 911 and the tens of thousands of other deaths caused by this mass murderer.

As he now must face the full power of G-d's holy judgement, may he be made to pay eternally for the evil acts he has done and for the innocent lives lost at his command.

Rest in HELL!

you mention G-d four times, but forgot to thank Obama even once.

before G-d got a little help from Obama he wasn't doing very well.
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It's delusion in the form of a self-satisfied world view that is more interested in preaching cynicism than actually seeking truth through actual critical analysis.
Can I steal this from you? I've never heard it put so succinctly
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:05 AM   #195
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Can I steal this from you? I've never heard it put so succinctly
Go ahead, brotha.

I am a huge fan of logic, reason, skepticism, critical/scientific thought, etc.
And those that only bring cynicism as if to show how 'thoughtful' they are, are often only going through the critical motions.
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