Ongoing Mass Shooting Thread #3... that's right, a third thread. Because 'Murica.

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That seems to suggest exactly what I’m saying. Republicans have required scores murdered in mass shootings to even reach half support for “stricter gun laws.”

How much of that 15% increase in republicans form 2016 to now do you think were *enlightened*? How much of the original 35% do you think were staunch in their support for stricter gun laws?

Answer: very few on both.
How many of the people surveyed get their information from tainted media sources like Fox News that are in cahoots with the NRA?

You may be right in that we discount how strongly the constituents of these politicians actually matter vs money... but you're also discounting how much the NRA money goes into shaping these opinions.
 
Their constituents are republicans. Make no mistake, we have hit an all time low on who-represents-who. They don’t represent the 90%. They represent the easier-to-obscure-gives-less-of-a-shit 60% from within that 90%.

If 90% of the population supports something.

And 30-40% of the population of the country is being represented by the GOP.

There's no way that fits into the 10% remaining of people who don't support expanded background checks. I'm really struggling to understand your math here.
 
If 90% of the population supports something.

And 30-40% of the population of the country is being represented by the GOP.

There's no way that fits into the 10% remaining of people who don't support expanded background checks. I'm really struggling to understand your math here.

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The mother weeping on TV that she doesn't want anymore prayers or thoughts sent to her, but gun control is just heartbreaking.
 
The mother weeping on TV that she doesn't want anymore prayers or thoughts sent to her, but gun control is just heartbreaking.

I saw it and it sure is heartbreaking.

Heartbreaking isn't a big enough word.

Also, apparently her son was at the Las Vegas music festival last year when that shooting happened. He got out of there alive, only to get caught in another shooting.
 
That story about the young man who survived the Las Vegas shooting only to die here is precisely why the "Your chances of being killed in a mass shooting are small" argument never sits well with me. That may well be true, but I always can't help thinking, 'Yeah, I'm sure all the people who died in these mass shootings thought or were told the same thing at some point."

And then there's this guy, caught in two mass shootings, dying in one. That may be even rarer an occurrence, but the fact remains that it does still happen on occasion. Somebody will, unfortunately, beat those odds at times.

Can anyone tell me when the wall is going up to protect us from the armed caravan of mass shooters? TIA. They're not just throwing rocks either.

Seriously, if people think it's okay for us to scrutinize and profile Muslims and other immigrants and black people and so on because some of them sometimes commit crimes, then surely they'll have no problem with us doing the same to white men who buy and own guns, since most mass shootings are committed by them. Right?
 
If 90% of the population supports something.

And 30-40% of the population of the country is being represented by the GOP.

There's no way that fits into the 10% remaining of people who don't support expanded background checks. I'm really struggling to understand your math here.



I’m struggling to understand your writing lol. Clearly we are both shorthanding.

90% represents something.

Call it 50-50 on Democrats-Republicans (more generally, left to right).

Assume that 90% is broken down by saying 100% of Dems and 100% of independents. Then what percent of Republicans?

Well, 35-25-40 is about the breakdown of D-R-I in this country.

So 75% of the nation is contributing their full commitment/support. The other 25% is only committing 15%.

15/25 is 60%. They don’t answer to or represent 90%. They answer to and represent the 60% [of republicans] within that 90%.

The same 60% who clearly does not feel strongly about the issue the way that anyone here does. The same 60% who probably responded to that poll but also makes the “as long as my taxes are low” cliche.
 
I get where you're coming from, but 25% of the nation isn't electing 54% of the senate, so your math is pretty dodgy, there. Not to mention the fact that reps rep their whole state, not just who voted for them, so it goes back to the larger question of, if the majority of your constituents want this, why are you voting against it?

And yes, it was 90% of all Americans, so again your math is dodgy, because you're assuming 100% support from D and I which is unlikely.

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsi...americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/
 
I get where you're coming from, but 25% of the nation isn't electing 54% of the senate, so your math is pretty dodgy, there. Not to mention the fact that reps rep their whole state, not just who voted for them, so it goes back to the larger question of, if the majority of your constituents want this, why are you voting against it?

And yes, it was 90% of all Americans, so again your math is dodgy, because you're assuming 100% support from D and I which is unlikely.

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsi...americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/



The math isn’t “dodgy.” If you want to question my assumption, fine. But there’s no bad math coming from some simple algebra.

And I never said 25% is electing 50% of the nation, but that’s not really all that far off from reality. 25% is the “base.” The constituents who go to rallies. The constituents who get energized.

As far as it not being far off from reality, assuming a politician answers to their base voters beliefs and suckers independents into voting for them by other issues (taxes), the independents who don’t give a shit about gun control despite claiming they do are not getting a voice in the game. Or for many other topics, at that. Because loads of people don’t give a shit.

And I’m still not sure what you’re saying. I never said it wasn’t 90% of Americans. My prior post you’ve quoted clearly indicates a breakdown of the theoretical 100% of Americans being D-R-I. If 90% of Americans support a topic of gun control, why on earth would that be unreasonable to approximate that 100% of democrats and independents are for it? Are you suggesting that a sizable portion of democrats and independents make up that 10% who do not support background check expansion? It’s entirely fair to approximate republicans as responsible for being that entire 10%.
 
I was just confirming for you what the polling populace is, since you asked me to clarify.

No, your math isn't dodgy, you're right, I meant I think your numbers are.

Anyways, this is pedantic, you're overlooking the point and this is an argument no longer worth having, to me.
 
I get where you're coming from, but 25% of the nation isn't electing 54% of the senate, so your math is pretty dodgy, there. Not to mention the fact that reps rep their whole state, not just who voted for them, so it goes back to the larger question of, if the majority of your constituents want this, why are you voting against it?

And yes, it was 90% of all Americans, so again your math is dodgy, because you're assuming 100% support from D and I which is unlikely.

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsi...americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/



And this is literally from your link’s first citation of Pew that quite literally illustrates my point:

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The diagram is split with gun control positives on top and gun control negatives on bottom.

Within the gun control positives, there are “softer” positions on top. And you can see, everyone happily supports the do-nothing views. Stop people from buying guns who are “mentally ill”!!!! Conscience cleared!!!!

Background checks show up at #3 there. Democrat/“leans dem” are at 88% in support, and Republican/“leans republican” are a whopping 18% below that at 70%.

If you cut away the “leans dem” and “leans republican” from that data, why would it be so farfetched to assume those numbers go to *approximately* 100 and 60, respectively?

And to add further to this, this graphic shows another point of mine from earlier. Soft positions like “no guns for mentally ill people!!!” garner republican support because that’s what clears there conscience. Look at the behavior as the position gets harder... less support. That type of behavior *suggests* that the majority of republicans don’t actually support doing something that would be impactful. That gives you a look into the overall view and who Mr. or Mrs. Senator answers to. People who don’t give a shit about gun control.
 
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It says a lot about the problem when a person survives a mass shooting only to get killed in yet another mass shooting! I feel horrible for that poor mother. Thoughts and prayers just don’t cut it. We need real solutions and not suggestions by the NRA or thoughts and prayers. In other words right now we are all just sitting ducks never knowing when it could happen to any of us!
 
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just another normal thing happening on a normal day in a normal country.

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Sigh......more fake news from DaveC, it was an anti Trump supporter, you forgot that part. But you're right, on the left, just a normal day
 
Sigh......more fake news from DaveC, it was an anti Trump supporter, you forgot that part. But you're right, on the left, just a normal day



I don’t think Dave cares who the guy supports.

Also, happy to quote your “anti Trump supporter” line. Whatever that means.
 
Three people killed in a domestic dispute including a police officer and doctor. And yet, the NRA wants doctors to “stay in their lane”.
Apparently my sister knew the doctor. So these shootings just keep getting closer and closer to home...
 
Sigh......more fake news from DaveC, it was an anti Trump supporter, you forgot that part. But you're right, on the left, just a normal day

It “was” an anti-Trump supporter who became a Trump supporter in the heat of the moment. Spurned on by one of his anti-Semitic tweets.
 
Sigh......more fake news from DaveC, it was an anti Trump supporter, you forgot that part. But you're right, on the left, just a normal day
sigh... more drive by fake victim posturing from gzusfrk, it doesn't really matter who he supports, it should straight up not happen regardless, you forgot that part. but you're a hypocrite, you got to pretend to be attacked and complain about your favorite strawman "the left", just a normal day
 
Condolences to your sister.
They weren't friends, I guess they worked in our school when we were younger, and then at our local hospital. Still shook us both up that it was someone in our circle of people we have known, type of thing. But thank you, I hope I didn't come across as trying to make it about me or a personal situation, I just seriously am starting to get anxious with the proximity to either my location or my family's with regards to situations like this.
 
I just seriously am starting to get anxious with the proximity to either my location or my family's with regards to situations like this.[/QUOTE]

Like I said before, the gun issue in the US is the main reason (by a wide margin) for why we haven't moved there so I totally get that. My kids don't need to be target practice for some lunatic.

When are you due? You must be super close and excited! Please let us know how it goes, for those who don't have you on FB. :)
 
They weren't friends, I guess they worked in our school when we were younger, and then at our local hospital. Still shook us both up that it was someone in our circle of people we have known, type of thing. But thank you, I hope I didn't come across as trying to make it about me or a personal situation, I just seriously am starting to get anxious with the proximity to either my location or my family's with regards to situations like this.

No, yeah, I totally get it. It's very unnerving indeed, and further proof of why we need some dramatic change, and fast. You'd think it'd be a "no duh" to say that people shouldn't have to worry about stuff like this when they go out in public, and yet...
 
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